Steven Holloway

Not that many, I imagine, but people that have built their own business, that have got their own struggles, that sometimes have to work their own way out of the quagmire.

Like that's probably a lot more relatable to the audience.

So capturing a new audience through that, but then being able to present some awesome other stories alongside it is so cool too.

hold that kind of respect for their story and what they're going to share with us and know that.

And I think we probably, yeah, we've just slipped into this mode of being really conscious about how the stories are going to land and how the episodes are going to land and putting real thought into it.

I think this year particularly the partnership piece and who's sitting alongside that is all starting to mesh up or line up.

It's the same with the World Cup show.

There's a potential there in terms of some of the players that might not –

have had such a profile or a spotlight that are doing some cool things for us to be able to for 15 minutes a day shine a light on some of the different 26 and the cool things that they're doing and their family stories that they're carrying with them as well is really, yeah, it's a real privilege to be able to do that.

Health and safety.

Yeah.

Is that sort of like us focusing on building the best podcast we possibly can?

But...

There is something to be said for the interaction element of business as well, right?

Like you can't just do everything via screen, or can you?

Travel does take up a lot of time, doesn't it?

It's never straightforward.

I mean, I'm thinking about the World Cup element to it of like, yeah, we get on a plane to Auckland, we'll land in LA and then we'll record the next day.

It's like, man, that's going to be, even that is going to be an interesting exercise.

And while I am budget conscious, one of the things I would not even dream of entertaining is room share.