Steven Holloway

And you're on the inside and then you're coming home.

What do you remember about that?

What did you do wrong?

What would you do differently?

We were complacent.

So what is your input there?

Yeah.

So is that weird for you, the sort of short time in rugby, and then you deciding?

They're just asking my recommendation.

But yeah, you're a very important voice.

You mentioned Richie there.

I'm keen to pull us through to 2011.

So he wasn't ready as a leader in 2007, but he certainly was in 2011.

What did you see from Richie?

Tell us about Richie and what you see behind the scenes and what makes him special and leading into that home World Cup.

Into the weeds of 2011 Home World Cup, there's obviously so much tension and pressure and it's on our doorstep and all that sort of stuff.

Are you planning the celebrations afterwards?

Like, are you thinking, okay, when we win, this is going to happen?

Is there a timeline for what happens after they win, and is that your responsibility?

If 2011 was sort of Richie, 2015 might be Dan Carter, you know, performing under pressure, just stepping up in the twilight of his career.