Steven Pressfield

You know, being completely naive and totally stupid, you know, and having no idea of what I was doing.

But I met a lot of nice people and I learned a lot of stuff in that, you know.

You said that was in New York City?

It was in New York City.

In fact, if I can, if I can hide one of my books, it's a small follow-up to the War of Art calls, nobody wants to read your shit.

And it kind of, a lot of it is about what you learn in advertising because nobody wants to read your ads or listen to your commercials or anything like that.

And so one thing you learn in that business is

to make it so good or so interesting, so intriguing that people will overcome their hatred of having to listen to your stupid Preparation H commercial.

So that was, anyway, that was what got me started, but I was never a storyteller as a kid, no.

I mean, I know that young people today, there's a tremendous amount of pressure on people to find their passion, you know, and follow their passion and so on and so forth.

And I know for me, I would, as a young person, I would go, what the fuck is that?

I don't know what it is that I want to do, you know.

I'm lost.

I'm just, you know, struggling.

But I do think that we are all born young.

with some sort of a, at least one, a kind of a calling of some kind.

And it may not be the arts, you know, it may be helping other people through some kind of a nonprofit or something, or like what you're doing, Andrew, you know, where you're bringing neuroscience and the scientific, you know, to personal development, so on and so forth.

I think we do all have some sort of calling.

And like, we know it.

Like if we could somehow put somebody in here and say, I'll give you three seconds.