Steven Pressfield

You or me who has a calling that we know we should be doing, they're allowing us to not do it, to be drawn over here for whatever reason.

And I think a lot of the anger and polarization in politics is about that today.

Because people can't face to sit down and do whatever they were born to do.

So it's much easier to hate the other person over here or get completely caught up in all that rabbit hole of all that sort of stuff.

Yeah.

To follow your calling is a really hard thing.

You know, it's not...

We were born to be, by evolution, to be tribal creatures, you know, through all those evolution.

And the opposite, the one thing that the tribe hates the most is somebody that goes his own way or her own way, right?

Follows their own thing and doesn't, you know, hew to what the tribe wants them to do.

So for us to do that as individuals...

It's a bitch, you know?

And it's usually like what you said, you sort of exploded out of you when you got... You have to almost reach a breaking point, you know?

Almost hit bottom in some kind of a sense before it just kind of explodes out of you.

Because we'll all resist that so much.

It's so scary.

Yeah.

Mentors have been really important to me.

Very important.

In fact, I wrote a memoir called Government Cheese.