Steven Rinella

Right.

You got to pay to play in Africa.

That's not, you know, that's not the American style.

It's like, it's not the American style, but it's a way to achieve conservation in that place.

Yeah.

You know, and, um, and, and you also can look and be like, we've also, you know, in the late 1800s and early 1900s, um, because of deregulation, I mean, we almost ruined, we almost ruined American wildlife.

Yeah, let's move into the history of hunting in America.

In the U.S.?

Yeah.

First off, people who hunted in the U.S., I mean, people debate the number, but somewhere between, there were people definitely here hunting 13,000, 14,000 years ago.

People were maybe here hunting as much as 20,000 years ago.

People that came from Siberia.

passed into Alaska very quickly.

You know, at some point by 13,000 years ago, I'd like exploded across the landscape and those were hunting cultures.

Only later, right?

Like,

many thousands of years later, Europeans started to come.

And that's kind of where I'm very interested in, in, in native hunting practices, but kind of when we get, when we look at the decimation of American wildlife, that story begins with the colonials, right.

Coming in, uh, just to get a little extra detail there, there is a, there is a argument that is a, there's a very powerful argument

It's not settled science, but there's a very powerful argument that when humans arrived here, they wiped out many species of wildlife.