Steven Rinella

Wildlife being democratically owned, right?

Trying to foresee and prevent ways in which people might commodify wildlife so it wasn't available to like blue collar people.

So opportunity, like you grew up with this whole ethos about how to protect the democratization of American landscapes and American wildlife.

And you're like, that's the way to do it.

Part of travel is you go and you say like, you realize there's other ways to skin wildlife.

There's other ways to skin the cat, right?

And they have got this other system.

And you could look at it and criticize it, aspects of it.

It's very hard.

It's very difficult for a citizen of Tanzania

to go out and do lawful hunting.

There's, there's not like an avenue for it.

Like that's too bad.

I regret it, but it's a different place, different challenges, um, enforcement issues, poverty issues, whatever they have found a way to preserve habitat and to preserve wildlife by assigning value to it.

And right now that is what holds the line.

Like that is what holds the line to burn it.

You know, burning it and depleting it.

And so it's just, it's hard to condemn it.

You know what I mean?

And I used to sit back, I used to sit like in my pompous, you know, somewhat pompous American seat and used to be like, oh, you know, pay to play.