Steven Rinella

was accumulating land, to get back to your question, which is a way of accumulating wealth, but he also didn't wanna partake in it because he felt like it would actually mess with his chances in the afterlife.

And so he would walk around, again, no house, no address,

And partnering with these folks, with these settlers to have the orchards running, but never sticking around to kind of reap their bounty.

There's a joke that at one point he lost some paperwork and he lost like half of Ohio.

But when he dies, at the ripe old age of his 70s, not to get ahead of ourselves, but when he dies...

He has 1,200 acres to his name, and he had no progeny, he had no family, but he had, it got dispersed to like brothers, siblings, half-siblings, so the Chapman family did keep it, but he actually had amassed quite a bit of wealth despite the fact that he would often either sleep on strangers' floors,

or proselytize in a town and hope somebody befriended him and took him in or sleep in the woods.

So he lived this kind of pauper's life.

So the tin pot on the hat, not so much, but he often dressed in like a coffee sack, like kind of almost a scratchy.

Yeah.

So there, there is this like interesting and, and there's all these different theories about him.

Was he this way?

Cause he got kicked in the head by a horse.

Was he this way?

Cause he got brokenhearted.

There's all these different stories about him, but he,

What really threads through it is here's a man that accumulated land, loved to move west, loved to do business.

There's a real capitalist theme through Chapman, yet at the same time, he never enjoyed the benefits of it.

Fantastic, absolutely.

Okay, so he's born in Lemonster, Massachusetts.