Steven Rinella

I mean, he was hugely controversial at the time.

That's the thing people forget about.

All politicians would want to be favorably compared to Roosevelt now.

Any politician is going to take, if someone says, he's like a Theodore Roosevelt when it comes to conservation, they're going to be like, thank you.

That dude was controversial at the time.

And who was right?

They carved him into Rushmore, right?

That's the preservation guy.

So he was right, you know, and it was not popular at the time.

That's the thing people lose sight of is like what he did at the time was some people support it, but a lot of people hated him for it.

And then now we recognize that it was a stroke.

It was genius.

It was genius.

Yeah.

I'm glad you did and everybody else that did.

Man, it's a thing that comes up in different –

It's a thing that comes up in different forms throughout the history of the country, is this question of the legitimacy, the intelligence, or whatever, of having large tracts of federally managed public land that's open to everybody.

Maybe it's not a 10-year cycle.

My friend and colleague, Ryan Callahan, is a lifelong crusader for public lands.

And he and I were talking recently, and he was talking about it.