Steven Rinella

And then both times with Chaffetz and then this most recent thing was being pushed from Senator Mike Lee, both times it seems they were quite surprised that their constituent base hated the idea.

They hated it.

All right.

It was it was it shocked people.

But I'm like, I was always like, it should be that shocking because this is what happened last time.

And the response was the same.

It was like, oh, wow.

All these all these were just shocked at all these these these Republican voters hate the idea of selling off public lands.

And they'll focus because like, oh, it's only 3 million acres.

But what people see lying there is you're kind of like, I'm afraid it's not about that.

I'm afraid that at this level, we're having a discussion about the legitimacy of federally managed public lands.

And so people, they tend to not be interested in the details.

It's like American sportsmen

at the end of the day, American sportsmen want public lands.

And they're definitely intellectually capable of recognizing that it comes at some cost.

But if you look at what conservative values and conservative means, it's not going anywhere.

It's our federal land.

Right.

If we were to wind up in some national emergency, we're in an existential crisis as a country.

and we needed to utilize some of these lands for extraction or whatever, like we were in an existential crisis, like a World War II scale crisis for resources, I think you'd have a very different reception if you were talking about the need to industrialize some of our beloved landscapes in order to address an existential crisis.