Steven Rinella

He usually had a bucket, but the tin pot with a handle off of it really hadn't been thought up yet at that point.

That's kind of almost a few decades later, but yes.

Oh, yeah.

No, his whole deal is he gets lionized a few decades after his death, and we'll get to that.

As a troll, basically.

He was like, oh, you think I'm such an outdoorsman?

People would be like, oh my God, here he comes in his coonskin hat.

He was like being audacious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, no, yeah.

Again, these things get put back on these legends, right, as we learn about them.

And as we try to basically flatten them and make them less complex so that they can be consumed by young children.

But the first time I heard about Johnny Appleseed was very much my dad.

Because he would tell these kind of giant elaborate stories.

And my Johnny Appleseed of my father, he walked all the way to California.

He brought apples here over the Atlantic Ocean on his shoulders.

My dad was such a storyteller.

He went so big.

And so my mother's job,

was kind of to bring me back to earth.