Steven Rinella

It's like lamenting the existence of large predators or just like, you know, this whole like smoke a pack a day, you know, shoot shovel, shut up shit about wolves.

I don't think that that's productive.

Gotcha.

The ask is like, the ask is like, get them off the ESA.

What's that?

Danger species act.

They shouldn't be, they don't qualify for Endangered Species Act protection, just like categorically.

When they started doing reintroductions on wolves and when they started doing protections on grizzlies, all the people, all the stakeholders came together and said, here's what recovery looks like.

Recovery will be this, this many breeding pairs, right?

This level of distribution.

We hit recovery on wolves and grizzly bears 20 years ago.

In some cases, even longer ago in some areas.

And, but, and there's still is this faction of sportsmen that thinks we're going to go back to having those animals, not out there preying on deer.

And it's fucking dumb.

Yeah.

Like the ask is D list and manage as a game animal.

Um, that that's the thing that people got to, and, and in, in order to push their

viewpoint they kind of over they like exaggerate human risk on things that there's not human risk there's not like a reasonable human risk like wolves like wolves just don't with people you know mountain lions every now and then but predators need to be there yeah they need to be managed as game animals yeah we need to have hunting you know like it's ridiculous right now that there's no wolf hunting in the upper great lakes it's ridiculous

Um, they need to, you know, they delisted, then they listed again that that needs to be a hundred population of wolves, but, um, they're not going away.

I used to have a habit of asking guys that owned land that had hogs on it, the bitch about the hogs.