Steven Zuber

Well, it's fun because the we exist inside the story that the brain tells itself links to a YouTube video that I haven't watched, but it could well have links to The Elephant in the Brain by Robin Hanson.

the idea that our conscious mind is only aware of the stuff that, you know, our, our, as he puts it, uh, our, um, press manager puts together for us, you know?

For what it's worth, I found The Elephant in the Brain to be the most digestible and enjoyable Robin Hanson reading I've ever read.

And I got to tell him as much when we did an episode with him.

And he gave a lot of that credit to his co-author of that book, whose name I'm now failing to recall.

And I apologize.

Yes.

Well, and you wrote a whole book with kind of that premise.

Well, yes.

Check out Fly Streaming by Inyash Brodsky.

It's a beautiful framing that I'd never come across like that before, and I think it's a... I found it to be just really exciting.

Again, younger me would have been turned off by the religious talk, but there really is no separation of it.

Religion is as old as people, and this is partly an explanation of why, if not entirely the explanation.

Neat.

It makes sense that that would be metaphor because a cross would be really the wrong shape to use if you're going to try and crucify a serpent.

The other thing, too, when you mentioned that you don't know if you've experienced it is when you're experiencing it, you can't be aware of it.

It's something you look back on and realize, at least in my experience, you look back on and realize that happened.

But you can't exactly have the thought, I don't exist.

I mean, you can think that thought, but you can't kind of subconsciously verbalize that thought.

Is the claim there then that our brains have some quantum magic that, say, a silicon-based brain can't?