Steven

From sitting here and speaking to, I don't know, somewhere over a hundred different people that come from all walks of life, but specifically people that are successful in their industries. And you talked about, you know, how an anomalous early upbringing can create sort of abnormality in an adult.

From sitting here and speaking to, I don't know, somewhere over a hundred different people that come from all walks of life, but specifically people that are successful in their industries. And you talked about, you know, how an anomalous early upbringing can create sort of abnormality in an adult.

A lot of the people I sit here are successful because of some kind of abnormality or at least their interpretation of some kind of early event that caused them to have some sort of abnormal belief about themselves that they're not enough. So they become a billionaire or a gold medalist or whatever it might be.

A lot of the people I sit here are successful because of some kind of abnormality or at least their interpretation of some kind of early event that caused them to have some sort of abnormal belief about themselves that they're not enough. So they become a billionaire or a gold medalist or whatever it might be.

One of the things that I thought I could predict is I thought I could, if they told me, I thought after doing a hundred episodes, if they told me the traumatic event they'd been through, I could predict the outcome in them. But there's a disconnect there because, you know, I'd sit here with a guest who went through one of your capital T traumas, like domestic violence.

One of the things that I thought I could predict is I thought I could, if they told me, I thought after doing a hundred episodes, if they told me the traumatic event they'd been through, I could predict the outcome in them. But there's a disconnect there because, you know, I'd sit here with a guest who went through one of your capital T traumas, like domestic violence.

And one of them might become incredibly angry.

And one of them might become incredibly angry.

And one of them might become the most peaceful, loving person I've ever met.

And one of them might become the most peaceful, loving person I've ever met.

And that taught me that there's this thing in between the event, which is what you call interpretation.

And that taught me that there's this thing in between the event, which is what you call interpretation.

And I found that really, I found that as, that kind of makes it really difficult to diagnose. Yeah.

And I found that really, I found that as, that kind of makes it really difficult to diagnose. Yeah.

So one of the consequences of that early upbringing was it materialized itself as sort of addiction and the other got the same psychological reinforcement or the thing missing from power and work and money.

So one of the consequences of that early upbringing was it materialized itself as sort of addiction and the other got the same psychological reinforcement or the thing missing from power and work and money.

Is that often the case with pathological liars? They've learned to lie as a way to survive.

Is that often the case with pathological liars? They've learned to lie as a way to survive.

Defense against reality.

Defense against reality.