Steven

And one of them might become incredibly angry.

And one of them might become the most peaceful, loving person I've ever met.

And one of them might become the most peaceful, loving person I've ever met.

And that taught me that there's this thing in between the event, which is what you call interpretation.

And that taught me that there's this thing in between the event, which is what you call interpretation.

And I found that really, I found that as, that kind of makes it really difficult to diagnose. Yeah.

And I found that really, I found that as, that kind of makes it really difficult to diagnose. Yeah.

So one of the consequences of that early upbringing was it materialized itself as sort of addiction and the other got the same psychological reinforcement or the thing missing from power and work and money.

So one of the consequences of that early upbringing was it materialized itself as sort of addiction and the other got the same psychological reinforcement or the thing missing from power and work and money.

Is that often the case with pathological liars? They've learned to lie as a way to survive.

Is that often the case with pathological liars? They've learned to lie as a way to survive.

Defense against reality.

Defense against reality.

You said something at the start when I gave the example that I have this... I sat with a guest here who went through domestic abuse and they are the calmest person. And then you said, well, maybe they're suppressing it. And in fact... The minute you said that, it reminded me of something they said, which is they said to me on this podcast that they had angry outbursts all the time.

You said something at the start when I gave the example that I have this... I sat with a guest here who went through domestic abuse and they are the calmest person. And then you said, well, maybe they're suppressing it. And in fact... The minute you said that, it reminded me of something they said, which is they said to me on this podcast that they had angry outbursts all the time.

So sometimes their child will come up to them and want to play when they're working and they'll snap. And they're trying to deal with that.

So sometimes their child will come up to them and want to play when they're working and they'll snap. And they're trying to deal with that.

You said before, before this book, that awareness is the starting point.

You said before, before this book, that awareness is the starting point.

I found that to be so true in my life, but it's not very easy. I feel like awareness is a luxury or a privilege that is very hard fought because you're guessing. You're guessing based on pattern recognition. So I was guessing 25 years old, I can't get into a relationship. Anytime a girl comes near me, even if I've pursued her, I run off.