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With all that you know about the brain, I wondered if it's changed your view at all on... religion and God and spirituality. And if there is a higher power at all, the brain is such a wonderfully complex, beautiful thing. You know, it's the objective observer in 2025 looks at a brain because this is fantastic. Many people then conclude that there must be a creator of that brain.

With all that you know about the brain, I wondered if it's changed your view at all on... religion and God and spirituality. And if there is a higher power at all, the brain is such a wonderfully complex, beautiful thing. You know, it's the objective observer in 2025 looks at a brain because this is fantastic. Many people then conclude that there must be a creator of that brain.

But also we've talked so much today about meaning and the point of it all. So everything you've learned about the brain and neuroscience and psychology, has it made you believe in a God?

But also we've talked so much today about meaning and the point of it all. So everything you've learned about the brain and neuroscience and psychology, has it made you believe in a God?

Has it made you more atheist or agnostic?

Has it made you more atheist or agnostic?

So this is obviously a terrible leap, but do you therefore think that there's no inherent meaning to life outside of, you know, the like reproduction and.

So this is obviously a terrible leap, but do you therefore think that there's no inherent meaning to life outside of, you know, the like reproduction and.

Dr. Lisa is one of the most influential figures in the field of emotion, neuroscience, and the nature of the brain. She's among the top 0.1% cited scientists in the world for her revolutionary research in psychology and neuroscience.

Dr. Lisa is one of the most influential figures in the field of emotion, neuroscience, and the nature of the brain. She's among the top 0.1% cited scientists in the world for her revolutionary research in psychology and neuroscience.

We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. Question is... how to live a life without attaining anything. I have some context on this person. They are a black belt Shaolin monk. So they talk a lot about identity.

We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. Question is... how to live a life without attaining anything. I have some context on this person. They are a black belt Shaolin monk. So they talk a lot about identity.

How about then how to live life without your identity making you unhappy?

How about then how to live life without your identity making you unhappy?

Yeah, we, I, we are very quick to fall into the trap of thinking we are what we did. And that's, I much prefer I am what I do because that means that I have agency to make a different decision in the moment, irrespective of what I did in the past. But that's the trap we fall into.

Yeah, we, I, we are very quick to fall into the trap of thinking we are what we did. And that's, I much prefer I am what I do because that means that I have agency to make a different decision in the moment, irrespective of what I did in the past. But that's the trap we fall into.

In 10 minutes time, I bet I'll be downstairs and I'll be back into the trap of thinking that I am Stephen Bartlett who did this thing for 32 years or did, you know, Lisa, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything that you do. You've changed my mind in a really profound way. And that's quite hard because I sit here quite a lot.

In 10 minutes time, I bet I'll be downstairs and I'll be back into the trap of thinking that I am Stephen Bartlett who did this thing for 32 years or did, you know, Lisa, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for everything that you do. You've changed my mind in a really profound way. And that's quite hard because I sit here quite a lot.

So I have lots of conversations about the brain and about lots of new studies that have come out, et cetera, et cetera. But you've completely changed my mind and made me think in a completely different way, which I'm really grateful for. So thank you so much because that's a gift. And that's not a gift that I always get doing this job, but it really is a gift.