Steven

Okay. Like the fundamental issue if we don't trust law enforcement and the downstream consequences.

Okay. Like the fundamental issue if we don't trust law enforcement and the downstream consequences.

There was some kind of comment made at the end of your training by an internal affairs academy instructor, which basically said to be successful as a cop, don't follow these rules, the ethics rules that you were just given.

There was some kind of comment made at the end of your training by an internal affairs academy instructor, which basically said to be successful as a cop, don't follow these rules, the ethics rules that you were just given.

Okay.

Okay.

And the police all kind of agree that they won't snitch on each other? That's the general rule. And it's called, I read this term, the blue wall of silence. Yes, right.

And the police all kind of agree that they won't snitch on each other? That's the general rule. And it's called, I read this term, the blue wall of silence. Yes, right.

Because you need those other cops for your own personal survival.

Because you need those other cops for your own personal survival.

So you don't want to be snitching on other cops.

So you don't want to be snitching on other cops.

Who's looking to screw him?

Who's looking to screw him?

I mean, the whole time someone's against you. They're trying to find some kind of chink in your arm or something you did wrong.

I mean, the whole time someone's against you. They're trying to find some kind of chink in your arm or something you did wrong.

When we're thinking about the factors, the environmental factors that led you to make the decisions that you made, one of the big factors that I was looking into at the time was there was obviously this crack epidemic, but then it also seemed like the police at the time didn't actually want you to arrest people. Yes, that's correct.

When we're thinking about the factors, the environmental factors that led you to make the decisions that you made, one of the big factors that I was looking into at the time was there was obviously this crack epidemic, but then it also seemed like the police at the time didn't actually want you to arrest people. Yes, that's correct.

You did what? 43 arrests. You did 43 arrests in how many years?

You did what? 43 arrests. You did 43 arrests in how many years?