Steven

The city's paying. So the city don't want you to be arresting people? Oh, because they've got a budget to manage. Were you ever directly told to stop arresting these people?

Of course it does. Yeah, so it's all incentives. I think if you look at any system, you'll understand why people behave they do if you understand the incentive structure. And in your case, if you made more arrests of criminals, then the city would have both...

Of course it does. Yeah, so it's all incentives. I think if you look at any system, you'll understand why people behave they do if you understand the incentive structure. And in your case, if you made more arrests of criminals, then the city would have both...

a bill because they had to pay cops overtime to take care of the admin work, but also they're going to have more cops off the street, which could also lead to more crime. More crime. More crime. Yes. So you were incentivized not to arrest people. Correct. Okay.

a bill because they had to pay cops overtime to take care of the admin work, but also they're going to have more cops off the street, which could also lead to more crime. More crime. More crime. Yes. So you were incentivized not to arrest people. Correct. Okay.

And let's talk about that first experience of you taxing the first person, which I think was in 1983. Your starting salary when you joined the police was $18,000 a year, roughly. Yes. And you pulled someone over in 1983.

And let's talk about that first experience of you taxing the first person, which I think was in 1983. Your starting salary when you joined the police was $18,000 a year, roughly. Yes. And you pulled someone over in 1983.

That was the first time you committed a crime, I guess, as a police officer.

That was the first time you committed a crime, I guess, as a police officer.

You'd pulled them over?

You'd pulled them over?

No plates, right.

No plates, right.

As a cop, one of the things we saw in movies back then is cops getting like sexual favors because they're cops.

As a cop, one of the things we saw in movies back then is cops getting like sexual favors because they're cops.

Did that happen?

Did that happen?

Wow. It's not just in movies.

Wow. It's not just in movies.

Your boss, your sergeant around that time, did he know that you were doing things like this?