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And that's dictated essentially by the incentives of the organization. Because what you said is you basically introduced incentive structures that you're going to be exited or you're going to be promoted.

And that's dictated essentially by the incentives of the organization. Because what you said is you basically introduced incentive structures that you're going to be exited or you're going to be promoted.

What was the worst advice you got in those early years? We talked about some of the good advice and the good advice you'd give now, but was there any like really bad advice that you got that seemed to make sense but was terrible advice?

What was the worst advice you got in those early years? We talked about some of the good advice and the good advice you'd give now, but was there any like really bad advice that you got that seemed to make sense but was terrible advice?

You're joking. And they didn't know you were on the call?

You're joking. And they didn't know you were on the call?

But you do end up getting an offer of a very famous offer when you're 23 years old from Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook.

But you do end up getting an offer of a very famous offer when you're 23 years old from Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook.

How does that story begin? Is it an email, a phone call, an introduction?

How does that story begin? Is it an email, a phone call, an introduction?

Instagram was sold for a billion, was it? Yeah. A billion, yeah. And WhatsApp was 19 billion roughly. Yeah, I think so. You're 23 years old at that point. You've got Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, offering you a lot of money. I heard that it was $3 billion they offered. Yeah, we never talked about it publicly, but yeah. Is that the number?

Instagram was sold for a billion, was it? Yeah. A billion, yeah. And WhatsApp was 19 billion roughly. Yeah, I think so. You're 23 years old at that point. You've got Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg, offering you a lot of money. I heard that it was $3 billion they offered. Yeah, we never talked about it publicly, but yeah. Is that the number?

Okay. But did you get an offer?

Okay. But did you get an offer?

I'm trying to understand, as a 23-year-old, if someone offers me $3 billion for an app that I've started, you said you're probably still at your dad's house or in the blue office at that point.

I'm trying to understand, as a 23-year-old, if someone offers me $3 billion for an app that I've started, you said you're probably still at your dad's house or in the blue office at that point.

You're in your dad's house, and someone's offering you $3 billion for an app. What wisdom do you have that enables you to turn that down?

You're in your dad's house, and someone's offering you $3 billion for an app. What wisdom do you have that enables you to turn that down?

Did you ever get to meet with Mark or speak to Mark about it?

Did you ever get to meet with Mark or speak to Mark about it?