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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

Maximize your rate of learning. Let's go back to those early days. You're in that office. When you think about the people in that photo that were part of the first sort of 20, how important in hindsight is hiring? I think it's everything. I think it's everything.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

Especially for a company that's aspiring to be creative. Absolutely. In everything that it's doing. On this point of hiring, Did you make any hiring mistakes in those early days?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

Especially for a company that's aspiring to be creative. Absolutely. In everything that it's doing. On this point of hiring, Did you make any hiring mistakes in those early days?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

And what were those mistakes? Not necessarily people, but the frameworks were off or the way that you've hired these people. What caused the mistakes?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

And what were those mistakes? Not necessarily people, but the frameworks were off or the way that you've hired these people. What caused the mistakes?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

What are the other factors? If you were to make a perfect Snapchat employee now, What would their personality be, their psychology, their attributes?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

What are the other factors? If you were to make a perfect Snapchat employee now, What would their personality be, their psychology, their attributes?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

I just want to pause on that point of kind. Do you make a distinction between someone being nice and being kind? Because in your environment, you also mentioned that you do these critique sessions and you're giving people critical feedback. And if a culture gets a little bit too kind, then isn't that going to inhibit innovation and feedback?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

I just want to pause on that point of kind. Do you make a distinction between someone being nice and being kind? Because in your environment, you also mentioned that you do these critique sessions and you're giving people critical feedback. And if a culture gets a little bit too kind, then isn't that going to inhibit innovation and feedback?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

Leadership values, you said there's three of them.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

Leadership values, you said there's three of them.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

And as we proceed with these leadership principles, are you saying that in order to become a leader at Snapchat, you need these three things? Or are you saying everybody at Snapchat needs these three things?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

And as we proceed with these leadership principles, are you saying that in order to become a leader at Snapchat, you need these three things? Or are you saying everybody at Snapchat needs these three things?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

So if someone's not quite T-shaped, if they're a little bit I-shaped, is there something they can do to become a bit more T-shaped?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

So if someone's not quite T-shaped, if they're a little bit I-shaped, is there something they can do to become a bit more T-shaped?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

And do you need to be a T-shaped leader at Snapchat now and when there was 10 of you in the bedroom or in your dad's house? Has it always been important or is that a function of being bigger?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

And do you need to be a T-shaped leader at Snapchat now and when there was 10 of you in the bedroom or in your dad's house? Has it always been important or is that a function of being bigger?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

Before we move on to the second two, if this Evan could have gone back to the Evan that was running a team of 10 and he could have pulled him aside and said, listen, here's some advice that you're going to need to know about leadership and building this team. The most critical advice I could give you at this time.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

Before we move on to the second two, if this Evan could have gone back to the Evan that was running a team of 10 and he could have pulled him aside and said, listen, here's some advice that you're going to need to know about leadership and building this team. The most critical advice I could give you at this time.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
Snapchat CEO: Exact Formula Used To Build A $130 Billion Company! I Said No To $3 Billion From Mark Zuckerberg! It’s Time To Quit Your Job When You Feel This!

and this is for all the entrepreneurs out there that are building, they're laying the foundations of a potentially very big company right now. What would you have whispered in his ear?