Steven

How and why was it growing? Was it a marketing campaign or was it organic?

Isn't that crazy that we don't remember? It wasn't that long ago. I know, but we just don't remember. Like, as you were saying, I was like, fuck, yeah, you couldn't, like, send a photo to your friend and talk. I was like, I was still not trying to think of the app that I could have used back then to do that, and there just, like, isn't one. Yeah, but now I'm dating myself, you know, it's terrible.

Isn't that crazy that we don't remember? It wasn't that long ago. I know, but we just don't remember. Like, as you were saying, I was like, fuck, yeah, you couldn't, like, send a photo to your friend and talk. I was like, I was still not trying to think of the app that I could have used back then to do that, and there just, like, isn't one. Yeah, but now I'm dating myself, you know, it's terrible.

Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you.

And are these, we said there's eight or nine people. Are they working in isolation within that team or are they working as one team?

And are these, we said there's eight or nine people. Are they working in isolation within that team or are they working as one team?

I love this point you were making about the key thing that you've discovered is that the game is more ideas, not trying to find a perfect idea.

I love this point you were making about the key thing that you've discovered is that the game is more ideas, not trying to find a perfect idea.

More ideas, more feedback. You increase your failure rate, you get more feedback. It does kind of go contrary to what people think when they're building a business. They think the game is to have the perfect idea.

More ideas, more feedback. You increase your failure rate, you get more feedback. It does kind of go contrary to what people think when they're building a business. They think the game is to have the perfect idea.

Because eventually you learn something, right? You learn that you're not that good at guessing.

Because eventually you learn something, right? You learn that you're not that good at guessing.

Maximize your rate of learning. Let's go back to those early days. You're in that office. When you think about the people in that photo that were part of the first sort of 20, how important in hindsight is hiring? I think it's everything. I think it's everything.