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I don't think that's going to work. And then I'd say, idea one, though, I think that's the winner. Idea two is okay, but it's not worth the effort. Idea three is certainly not going to work. But idea one, I think that's the winner. And because I was pointing out the flaws in what's my own company, they trusted me for years. I'm telling you. And I was being honest. I was always being honest.

I don't think that's going to work. And then I'd say, idea one, though, I think that's the winner. Idea two is okay, but it's not worth the effort. Idea three is certainly not going to work. But idea one, I think that's the winner. And because I was pointing out the flaws in what's my own company, they trusted me for years. I'm telling you. And I was being honest. I was always being honest.

So if I thought it was a bad idea, I'd say it was a bad idea. And this is the long game.

So if I thought it was a bad idea, I'd say it was a bad idea. And this is the long game.

Which feels counterintuitive, right?

Which feels counterintuitive, right?

What about when you're dealing with someone that you don't like?

What about when you're dealing with someone that you don't like?

A lot of life is like that, right?

A lot of life is like that, right?

It's hard, though, isn't it? Because your body responds. It is hard. Your body starts to give it away.

It's hard, though, isn't it? Because your body responds. It is hard. Your body starts to give it away.

What about the subject of small talk, which we all, I mean, I think most people hate small talk. I especially don't like small talk, but many people hate small talk. Is there a skill at all to being a real master of small talk in your view?

What about the subject of small talk, which we all, I mean, I think most people hate small talk. I especially don't like small talk, but many people hate small talk. Is there a skill at all to being a real master of small talk in your view?

You talk about these conversational goals. Yeah. Having a conversational goal in your small talk. You talk about that on page, I think, 45 and 46 of this book. Yeah. So as a conversational goal, I'm a podcaster. I know I'm meeting you today. So I walk in here with a goal in mind that when I start speaking to you, I'm trying to get somewhere. Right. Is that what you mean by conversational goal?

You talk about these conversational goals. Yeah. Having a conversational goal in your small talk. You talk about that on page, I think, 45 and 46 of this book. Yeah. So as a conversational goal, I'm a podcaster. I know I'm meeting you today. So I walk in here with a goal in mind that when I start speaking to you, I'm trying to get somewhere. Right. Is that what you mean by conversational goal?

Well, there's two separate sides.

Well, there's two separate sides.

I didn't really do anything. What are the things that you admire the most in some of the peers you have as a trial attorney? Is there a particular trial attorney that you admire the most through history or through that you've encountered? And if so, what is it about them that you admire so much?

I didn't really do anything. What are the things that you admire the most in some of the peers you have as a trial attorney? Is there a particular trial attorney that you admire the most through history or through that you've encountered? And if so, what is it about them that you admire so much?