Steven

So would you say that if we are trying to help someone change, really it's about hope, it's about the strength of their why, and it's about love and empathy and connection?

So would you say that if we are trying to help someone change, really it's about hope, it's about the strength of their why, and it's about love and empathy and connection?

Is there anything else missing?

Is there anything else missing?

And treatment, okay. Which is subjective, right? Which could be depending on the situation they're in.

And treatment, okay. Which is subjective, right? Which could be depending on the situation they're in.

So alcohol. Yes. I mean, alcohol's been on a journey.

So alcohol. Yes. I mean, alcohol's been on a journey.

It's been on a journey in terms of society's opinion about it. Can you take me on that journey and tell me where we are now? And when I'm saying that, I'm talking about society's opinion on its health benefits and what it is. And then also what we're getting wrong now about alcohol.

It's been on a journey in terms of society's opinion about it. Can you take me on that journey and tell me where we are now? And when I'm saying that, I'm talking about society's opinion on its health benefits and what it is. And then also what we're getting wrong now about alcohol.

Are you telling me that there's no healthy level of alcohol consumption?

Are you telling me that there's no healthy level of alcohol consumption?

So I look at this glass of wine here and this pint of beer.

So I look at this glass of wine here and this pint of beer.

If I drank one of these a day, not a huge amount, I think what people tend to think is they think, well, it's only one, so my body will just flush it out and there'll be no adverse health consequences.

If I drank one of these a day, not a huge amount, I think what people tend to think is they think, well, it's only one, so my body will just flush it out and there'll be no adverse health consequences.

Is that true?

Is that true?

So if I have a glass of wine every day, I'll be over that limit then?

So if I have a glass of wine every day, I'll be over that limit then?