Steven

And what age were you when you lost that person?

And what age were you when you lost that person?

From addiction?

From addiction?

When you're dealing with a family member or someone close to you that has an addiction... so many people listening will be able to relate to that feeling. Can you describe what they feel in, I guess, an attempt to make them feel seen?

When you're dealing with a family member or someone close to you that has an addiction... so many people listening will be able to relate to that feeling. Can you describe what they feel in, I guess, an attempt to make them feel seen?

Because sometimes, especially in hindsight, if you end up losing that person, you can be filled with lots of feelings of guilt or misunderstanding, and especially thinking about how society's moved on. So how do you put into words how it feels to be a family member with someone dealing with addiction?

Because sometimes, especially in hindsight, if you end up losing that person, you can be filled with lots of feelings of guilt or misunderstanding, and especially thinking about how society's moved on. So how do you put into words how it feels to be a family member with someone dealing with addiction?

What did those people in your life need that you lost that they didn't get?

What did those people in your life need that you lost that they didn't get?

Do you sometimes think back and think, you know, if... If I'd done something differently, whether it was you or someone else around you or the system around that individual, they would still be here today. Because I think that was the first thing that sprung to mind. I played back all the decisions that I made. And I thought, okay, maybe that was bad advice that I was given.

Do you sometimes think back and think, you know, if... If I'd done something differently, whether it was you or someone else around you or the system around that individual, they would still be here today. Because I think that was the first thing that sprung to mind. I played back all the decisions that I made. And I thought, okay, maybe that was bad advice that I was given.

Maybe I should have been, you know, maybe I could have called more. Maybe I could have intervened here. Maybe, you know, maybe there's something else I could have done.

Maybe I should have been, you know, maybe I could have called more. Maybe I could have intervened here. Maybe, you know, maybe there's something else I could have done.

There's a phrase I had many years ago, which I'm now reconsidering, which is change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change. And that kind of dovetails into this idea that someone needs to hit their own rock bottom for them to change. I think the part, the reason why that idea prevails is because we hear so many stories.

There's a phrase I had many years ago, which I'm now reconsidering, which is change happens when the pain of staying the same becomes greater than the pain of making a change. And that kind of dovetails into this idea that someone needs to hit their own rock bottom for them to change. I think the part, the reason why that idea prevails is because we hear so many stories.

I hear them on this podcast of someone's family rejecting them, throwing them out on the street and them having that eureka moment that, fuck, I need to change my life. And people always reference that like rock bottom moment where they took action because, you know, they were at the very bottom of the well. And how does that phrase sit with you?

I hear them on this podcast of someone's family rejecting them, throwing them out on the street and them having that eureka moment that, fuck, I need to change my life. And people always reference that like rock bottom moment where they took action because, you know, they were at the very bottom of the well. And how does that phrase sit with you?

Change happens when the pain of making a change becomes greater than the pain of making a change.

Change happens when the pain of making a change becomes greater than the pain of making a change.