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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

if the rat was, it was like six inches from the rat's mouth, the rat would starve to death because they had impacted the rat's dopamine. So it no longer had motivation. And they speak of dopamine as this sort of motivation chemical. It's the thing that gets you to take action.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

So if you're frying your dopamine receptors by doing these sort of high dopamine activities, I'm wondering if you're going to, if we're sort of breeding a culture of lower motivation individuals. And

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

So if you're frying your dopamine receptors by doing these sort of high dopamine activities, I'm wondering if you're going to, if we're sort of breeding a culture of lower motivation individuals. And

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

Because of this thesis, I was kind of looking at some studies around this, and it does say that constant exposure to high dopamine activities can lead to dopamine desensitization or deregulation of dopamine receptors. And then this can lead to a significant reduction in your motivation. And there's multiple studies here that point in this direction.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

Because of this thesis, I was kind of looking at some studies around this, and it does say that constant exposure to high dopamine activities can lead to dopamine desensitization or deregulation of dopamine receptors. And then this can lead to a significant reduction in your motivation. And there's multiple studies here that point in this direction.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

So I'm wondering how, when I look at some of the stats around purposeless and people having less partners and being more sexless, if there's a through line here that when you make dopamine easy through pornography, we're less likely to go in, get up out of our bedroom and take an action.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

So I'm wondering how, when I look at some of the stats around purposeless and people having less partners and being more sexless, if there's a through line here that when you make dopamine easy through pornography, we're less likely to go in, get up out of our bedroom and take an action.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

And should we be aspiring to not be narcissists or does one just accept their narcissistic tendencies? And lean into it. Because much of what I read in the book about power is how narcissism seems to get you ahead to some degree. That's debatable. But I mean, look at some of the people that we've been talking about that have reached the very top of the...

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

And should we be aspiring to not be narcissists or does one just accept their narcissistic tendencies? And lean into it. Because much of what I read in the book about power is how narcissism seems to get you ahead to some degree. That's debatable. But I mean, look at some of the people that we've been talking about that have reached the very top of the...

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

What if I'm dealing with a narcissist?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

What if I'm dealing with a narcissist?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

What do I do about that? Because I was thinking about some of the laws in your book where you say things like don't outshine the master. If I'm dealing with a narcissist, should I hide my strengths and my weaknesses in order to sort of pander to them and not outshine them?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

What do I do about that? Because I was thinking about some of the laws in your book where you say things like don't outshine the master. If I'm dealing with a narcissist, should I hide my strengths and my weaknesses in order to sort of pander to them and not outshine them?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

Well, I think the root of this is there's something ugly about being manipulation, lying, acting. So no one would want to volunteer that they are doing that. But from what I'm inferring from what you said is that in order to get ahead in life, you're going to need to lie a little bit, manipulate and act.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

Well, I think the root of this is there's something ugly about being manipulation, lying, acting. So no one would want to volunteer that they are doing that. But from what I'm inferring from what you said is that in order to get ahead in life, you're going to need to lie a little bit, manipulate and act.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

I was, through my years of business, running businesses and stuff, I came up with this idea, which I've shared with a few people, called your contribution score. And much like we have a credit score, where if we're reckless with our finances, our credit score gets lowered. I think the same applies for the contributions we make in group settings, but just generally the contributions we make.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

I was, through my years of business, running businesses and stuff, I came up with this idea, which I've shared with a few people, called your contribution score. And much like we have a credit score, where if we're reckless with our finances, our credit score gets lowered. I think the same applies for the contributions we make in group settings, but just generally the contributions we make.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

And I came to learn this over time because in one of my offices many years ago in a different company, there was this one individual who in the meeting rooms would, when people were brainstorming, before they'd thought of what they were going to say, they'd interject and say, what about if we do a, we could do like a pop-up with maybe, we'll do like, and they were thinking out loud.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

And I came to learn this over time because in one of my offices many years ago in a different company, there was this one individual who in the meeting rooms would, when people were brainstorming, before they'd thought of what they were going to say, they'd interject and say, what about if we do a, we could do like a pop-up with maybe, we'll do like, and they were thinking out loud.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Manipulation Expert: Most People Don't Realise They're Narcissists! You're Setting Your Child Up For Misery!

And what I would observe as the CEO is the minute they spoke, it was almost like people rolled their eyes and tried to cut them off because they'd developed this contribution score, which says when X person contributes, it's always ill-formed, not productive and takes too long. But then there's this other guy who I remember from my Manchester office who went, he hardly spoke.