Steven

And what I would observe as the CEO is the minute they spoke, it was almost like people rolled their eyes and tried to cut them off because they'd developed this contribution score, which says when X person contributes, it's always ill-formed, not productive and takes too long. But then there's this other guy who I remember from my Manchester office who went, he hardly spoke.

And every time he spoke, it was important. So the minute he starts speaking, it's like the room shifts towards him. It's like with bated breath. So there's an art of protecting one's contribution score.

And every time he spoke, it was important. So the minute he starts speaking, it's like the room shifts towards him. It's like with bated breath. So there's an art of protecting one's contribution score.

Interesting. Really interesting. He's a master of the 48 laws of power. The other law that I was thinking a lot about, if we're jumping back to the laws of power, is let others do the work, but take the credit. LAUGHTER Your face when I said that.

Interesting. Really interesting. He's a master of the 48 laws of power. The other law that I was thinking a lot about, if we're jumping back to the laws of power, is let others do the work, but take the credit. LAUGHTER Your face when I said that.

And if you had kicked up a fuss, you might have accidentally outshone the master. I've been fired. It's interesting because there is an element of this where it can, where like trying to take the credit can really also lead you to being fired. Because I'll never, I remember back in previous, again, a previous company that I'd started had a big team about 200 people in Manchester.

And if you had kicked up a fuss, you might have accidentally outshone the master. I've been fired. It's interesting because there is an element of this where it can, where like trying to take the credit can really also lead you to being fired. Because I'll never, I remember back in previous, again, a previous company that I'd started had a big team about 200 people in Manchester.

And there was this one kid in his early 20s who would always sulk if... in our like public company channel, someone just innocently forgot to include his name in credit when credit was being handed out. And it would happen maybe once every six months. You just like forgot that he had contributed to the project. And that happens in all businesses. People don't tag you sometimes.

And there was this one kid in his early 20s who would always sulk if... in our like public company channel, someone just innocently forgot to include his name in credit when credit was being handed out. And it would happen maybe once every six months. You just like forgot that he had contributed to the project. And that happens in all businesses. People don't tag you sometimes.

And I remember hearing that he was outside on the steps, bitching, that's the best way I can describe it, just like complaining to other younger team members that he hadn't been included in that message. And it developed this horrible reputation for him as someone that was always complaining and always trying to take credit because it's ugly to be seen as trying to take credit.

And I remember hearing that he was outside on the steps, bitching, that's the best way I can describe it, just like complaining to other younger team members that he hadn't been included in that message. And it developed this horrible reputation for him as someone that was always complaining and always trying to take credit because it's ugly to be seen as trying to take credit.

I think there's an overarching thing here, which can be discovered in your other book, The Laws of Human Nature, about mastering your emotional self. Because none of these things are going to be possible if you don't have mastery over your emotions. I'm not going to be able to refrain from snatching credit.

I think there's an overarching thing here, which can be discovered in your other book, The Laws of Human Nature, about mastering your emotional self. Because none of these things are going to be possible if you don't have mastery over your emotions. I'm not going to be able to refrain from snatching credit.

I'm not going to be able to not outshine my master if I don't have this sort of foundation of emotional control. Is that true? Is emotional control really where this all begins?

I'm not going to be able to not outshine my master if I don't have this sort of foundation of emotional control. Is that true? Is emotional control really where this all begins?

You learn it from the mistakes you make. Is there any practices that you know of that would enable me to increase my self-awareness? Because, you know, we're all going through experiences in life, but it seems that some people are learning from those experiences and becoming more wise and more effective, and then other people are kind of repeating the cycle over and over again.

You learn it from the mistakes you make. Is there any practices that you know of that would enable me to increase my self-awareness? Because, you know, we're all going through experiences in life, but it seems that some people are learning from those experiences and becoming more wise and more effective, and then other people are kind of repeating the cycle over and over again.

And I think I ask this in particular because you're a writer, so you spend a ton of time Thinking about what's happened to you, your jobs, experiences, your feelings.

And I think I ask this in particular because you're a writer, so you spend a ton of time Thinking about what's happened to you, your jobs, experiences, your feelings.

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