Steven

One of the ideas that emerged from that process was as I was writing the solo episode, I thought about the day that I went fishing. Like I don't fish, obviously. But I went fishing because whatever, I just found myself there. And I'm on this boat in the middle of the lake. And the art of fishing is you sit there and do fucking nothing.

One of the ideas that emerged from that process was as I was writing the solo episode, I thought about the day that I went fishing. Like I don't fish, obviously. But I went fishing because whatever, I just found myself there. And I'm on this boat in the middle of the lake. And the art of fishing is you sit there and do fucking nothing.

And you're on a lake and it's like pissing it down. So I'm sat there in my Mac and it's just like leathering on me. And this boat, this is not glamorous. This is a two metre wooden boat.

And you're on a lake and it's like pissing it down. So I'm sat there in my Mac and it's just like leathering on me. And this boat, this is not glamorous. This is a two metre wooden boat.

It was like at a castle somewhere. And it was the most important like seven hours of my life at that exact moment because I'd been in the trenches for so many weeks in a row that sitting out on that boat for seven hours just waiting for this nibble that never came because I'm shit at fishing it turns out. was so powerful.

It was like at a castle somewhere. And it was the most important like seven hours of my life at that exact moment because I'd been in the trenches for so many weeks in a row that sitting out on that boat for seven hours just waiting for this nibble that never came because I'm shit at fishing it turns out. was so powerful.

I thought, like, this is the distinction between being able to stand back from the photo so you can see the picture. And founders, like, especially when you've got cash flow issues and clients giving you shit and team member issues, you're like this. Yeah. And I think that the problem is, as founders, we can feel guilt. Yes. And we kind of talked about this earlier.

I thought, like, this is the distinction between being able to stand back from the photo so you can see the picture. And founders, like, especially when you've got cash flow issues and clients giving you shit and team member issues, you're like this. Yeah. And I think that the problem is, as founders, we can feel guilt. Yes. And we kind of talked about this earlier.

Of, like, not being in there and not being in the trenches. Because we don't realise we're serving our company by...

Of, like, not being in there and not being in the trenches. Because we don't realise we're serving our company by...

Are you paranoid?

Are you paranoid?

And how do you think about people copying you? Because anyone that's successful, all of my friends that have done anything well, they're just, everyone just copies the blueprint.

And how do you think about people copying you? Because anyone that's successful, all of my friends that have done anything well, they're just, everyone just copies the blueprint.

But does it piss you off?

But does it piss you off?

No, no, no. I'm not going to say anything else. I'm not going to ask anything else about it. But tell me more.

No, no, no. I'm not going to say anything else. I'm not going to ask anything else about it. But tell me more.

But that means you can become successful just by ripping someone off.

But that means you can become successful just by ripping someone off.