Steven

Because it doesn't feel like care to fire someone.

Do you remember the first time you had to contend with that dichotomy and how it felt in...

Do you remember the first time you had to contend with that dichotomy and how it felt in...

But in hindsight, how do you look at that decision now with your wisdom?

But in hindsight, how do you look at that decision now with your wisdom?

I think there's a lot of business owners that can relate to holding on to all of that pressure themselves. Cash flow issues, the uncertainty around the business. And, you know, they internalize it. They take it home with them. It's with them seven days a week. How did it feel for you when you were going through those challenges with your first company? And I ask that because...

I think there's a lot of business owners that can relate to holding on to all of that pressure themselves. Cash flow issues, the uncertainty around the business. And, you know, they internalize it. They take it home with them. It's with them seven days a week. How did it feel for you when you were going through those challenges with your first company? And I ask that because...

I want the person going through that, I was going through it, to feel seen, but also to have a bit of a blueprint, a roadmap of what to do about that.

I want the person going through that, I was going through it, to feel seen, but also to have a bit of a blueprint, a roadmap of what to do about that.

That's so, so true. I was talking the other day, I think it was actually when I did that solo episode on the Diary of a Seer about this idea of like clouds and trenches.

That's so, so true. I was talking the other day, I think it was actually when I did that solo episode on the Diary of a Seer about this idea of like clouds and trenches.

Oh, did you listen to it? Oh, thank you.

Oh, did you listen to it? Oh, thank you.

One of the ideas that emerged from that process was as I was writing the solo episode, I thought about the day that I went fishing. Like I don't fish, obviously. But I went fishing because whatever, I just found myself there. And I'm on this boat in the middle of the lake. And the art of fishing is you sit there and do fucking nothing.

One of the ideas that emerged from that process was as I was writing the solo episode, I thought about the day that I went fishing. Like I don't fish, obviously. But I went fishing because whatever, I just found myself there. And I'm on this boat in the middle of the lake. And the art of fishing is you sit there and do fucking nothing.

And you're on a lake and it's like pissing it down. So I'm sat there in my Mac and it's just like leathering on me. And this boat, this is not glamorous. This is a two metre wooden boat.

And you're on a lake and it's like pissing it down. So I'm sat there in my Mac and it's just like leathering on me. And this boat, this is not glamorous. This is a two metre wooden boat.

It was like at a castle somewhere. And it was the most important like seven hours of my life at that exact moment because I'd been in the trenches for so many weeks in a row that sitting out on that boat for seven hours just waiting for this nibble that never came because I'm shit at fishing it turns out. was so powerful.

It was like at a castle somewhere. And it was the most important like seven hours of my life at that exact moment because I'd been in the trenches for so many weeks in a row that sitting out on that boat for seven hours just waiting for this nibble that never came because I'm shit at fishing it turns out. was so powerful.

I thought, like, this is the distinction between being able to stand back from the photo so you can see the picture. And founders, like, especially when you've got cash flow issues and clients giving you shit and team member issues, you're like this. Yeah. And I think that the problem is, as founders, we can feel guilt. Yes. And we kind of talked about this earlier.