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The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

It's because one of my fears is with some people, they count themselves out before they walk in the room because prejudice is real. So they limit themselves. And there's a really great study they did many, many years ago. where they got a group of black people, I believe it was on a vocabulary test, just to talk about their race before they did the vocabulary test.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

And if they got them to talk about their race before, their performance dropped. If they didn't get the group to talk about their race before in a different study, performance was the same. They did the same with women. They got them to identify their gender before doing a maths test. And because there's a stereotype...

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

And if they got them to talk about their race before, their performance dropped. If they didn't get the group to talk about their race before in a different study, performance was the same. They did the same with women. They got them to identify their gender before doing a maths test. And because there's a stereotype...

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

around maths, or at least there was at the time in women, women on that test would perform worse if they talked about their gender right before they did the test. But importantly, if they didn't, the results were the same as everybody else. So stereotype threat is a real thing. And the unpopular conversation is there could be ways that we're holding ourselves back

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

around maths, or at least there was at the time in women, women on that test would perform worse if they talked about their gender right before they did the test. But importantly, if they didn't, the results were the same as everybody else. So stereotype threat is a real thing. And the unpopular conversation is there could be ways that we're holding ourselves back

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

before we even walk into the room because of that stereotype threat. It could be age. It could be race. It could be gender. It could be anything else. It could be a disability. And I just wonder how you think about, like, you know, that.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

before we even walk into the room because of that stereotype threat. It could be age. It could be race. It could be gender. It could be anything else. It could be a disability. And I just wonder how you think about, like, you know, that.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

That's what I wanted to know. I wanted to understand that because it's something that I really want people to realise, which is like prejudice, yes, it's real, as you said, but it doesn't have to be your problem. It can remain theirs. Yeah. And I really worry that people will internalise other people's prejudice and then limit themselves.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

That's what I wanted to know. I wanted to understand that because it's something that I really want people to realise, which is like prejudice, yes, it's real, as you said, but it doesn't have to be your problem. It can remain theirs. Yeah. And I really worry that people will internalise other people's prejudice and then limit themselves.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

How do you mean?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

How do you mean?

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

How you felt about yourself seems to be more internal than external in that regard. And that brings me to my next question, which is just about how do we not give so many fucks? Because it's hard to live and it's hard to strive and it's hard to take risk if we're imprisoned by the amount of fucks that we give.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

How you felt about yourself seems to be more internal than external in that regard. And that brings me to my next question, which is just about how do we not give so many fucks? Because it's hard to live and it's hard to strive and it's hard to take risk if we're imprisoned by the amount of fucks that we give.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

I've heard you talk before about how as well we kind of misunderstand how much people actually give a fuck about us.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

I've heard you talk before about how as well we kind of misunderstand how much people actually give a fuck about us.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

It can feel like that.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

It can feel like that.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

It doesn't feel like it for me, but when you're in the... I think humans like... from an evolutionary perspective, we're like, our brain is built to deal with like 20 tribes people.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

It doesn't feel like it for me, but when you're in the... I think humans like... from an evolutionary perspective, we're like, our brain is built to deal with like 20 tribes people.

The Diary Of A CEO with Steven Bartlett
The Woman That Makes Millionaires: They're Lying About Work Life Balance! I Built SKIMS Without Fashion Knowledge!

So we interpret, we have a probably hard why to our fault of interpreting everything as coming from a member of the tribe.