Steven

I think that really goes against what a lot of startup founders think they have to be doing because they think they have to be good at everything.

I'm really obsessed about this idea of like truly exceptional people.

I'm really obsessed about this idea of like truly exceptional people.

Yeah, like truly exceptional people. I was listening to something Steve Jobs was saying a couple of weeks ago. I'll throw it up on the screen for anybody.

Yeah, like truly exceptional people. I was listening to something Steve Jobs was saying a couple of weeks ago. I'll throw it up on the screen for anybody.

Have you found that to be the case? And also, I want to address another point here, which is the insecurity of an early stage founder who looks up and sees someone that's really experienced. And then they have that sort of self-doubt and go, how the fuck am I going to manage them?

Have you found that to be the case? And also, I want to address another point here, which is the insecurity of an early stage founder who looks up and sees someone that's really experienced. And then they have that sort of self-doubt and go, how the fuck am I going to manage them?

Makes them look great or makes them great?

Makes them look great or makes them great?

One of the things I think a lot about is kind of dovetails into this a little bit because I was referencing how we can sometimes be our own worst enemies and doubt ourselves away from like finding the truly exceptional person. So we end up hiring our friends.

One of the things I think a lot about is kind of dovetails into this a little bit because I was referencing how we can sometimes be our own worst enemies and doubt ourselves away from like finding the truly exceptional person. So we end up hiring our friends.

No, I was 18 and I, they weren't actually friends, but they weren't qualified. I just met them at like, I met one guy at a Prada store and I was like, you can be my account manager. And then I met some guy at like a rap battle and I was like, you should be my marketing director.

No, I was 18 and I, they weren't actually friends, but they weren't qualified. I just met them at like, I met one guy at a Prada store and I was like, you can be my account manager. And then I met some guy at like a rap battle and I was like, you should be my marketing director.

No rigor in deciding.

No rigor in deciding.

How do you think about prejudice, Emma? What I really mean here is being counted out before you walk in the room. So people hear that you're, it might be a woman or something else, and you feel that they're not taking you seriously. Has that happened in your career as a black person, as a woman, as anything that puts you in the minority as it relates to the accomplishments you've made?

How do you think about prejudice, Emma? What I really mean here is being counted out before you walk in the room. So people hear that you're, it might be a woman or something else, and you feel that they're not taking you seriously. Has that happened in your career as a black person, as a woman, as anything that puts you in the minority as it relates to the accomplishments you've made?

Do you know what? I'm going to give you a bit more context as to why I asked this.

Do you know what? I'm going to give you a bit more context as to why I asked this.

It's because one of my fears is with some people, they count themselves out before they walk in the room because prejudice is real. So they limit themselves. And there's a really great study they did many, many years ago. where they got a group of black people, I believe it was on a vocabulary test, just to talk about their race before they did the vocabulary test.