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that it was hard to believe that she was only 27 years old. Michelle told me about her life, how she grew up in the South Side, how much love and support her parents poured into her and her brother, Craig.

that it was hard to believe that she was only 27 years old. Michelle told me about her life, how she grew up in the South Side, how much love and support her parents poured into her and her brother, Craig.

I asked her why she was considering public service rather than a much more lucrative path as a partner in a law firm, and she said that she had recently lost her dad and her best friend within a year. And their deaths were a painful reminder of the finiteness of life and the importance of making it purposeful.

I asked her why she was considering public service rather than a much more lucrative path as a partner in a law firm, and she said that she had recently lost her dad and her best friend within a year. And their deaths were a painful reminder of the finiteness of life and the importance of making it purposeful.

and how she knew that her abilities could lead her to make a difference in the lives of others, to serve and to give back to the city that she'd grown up. I was so in awe of her clarity of purpose, determination, and vulnerability that I offered her a job on the spot.

and how she knew that her abilities could lead her to make a difference in the lives of others, to serve and to give back to the city that she'd grown up. I was so in awe of her clarity of purpose, determination, and vulnerability that I offered her a job on the spot.

It was like, ooh, what did Valerie say? And at that time in your life, you know, those early 30s, what's going on with Mr. Obama?

It was like, ooh, what did Valerie say? And at that time in your life, you know, those early 30s, what's going on with Mr. Obama?

Business takes me all over the world and I travel about 50 weeks a year. And up until recently, one of the challenges I continued to face was staying connected as soon as I landed somewhere new. The reality is I don't have time to wait around and sort out SIM cards while I'm on the go.

Business takes me all over the world and I travel about 50 weeks a year. And up until recently, one of the challenges I continued to face was staying connected as soon as I landed somewhere new. The reality is I don't have time to wait around and sort out SIM cards while I'm on the go.

So a few months ago, I tried something called Airlo for the first time and they are now a sponsor of today's episode. Airlo is the world's first eSIM store. It's entirely digital, no SIM cards are needed at all, and you can keep the same phone number you have now. It means that you can get reliable data in over 200 destinations with instant access to a digital eSIM card with a click of a button.

So a few months ago, I tried something called Airlo for the first time and they are now a sponsor of today's episode. Airlo is the world's first eSIM store. It's entirely digital, no SIM cards are needed at all, and you can keep the same phone number you have now. It means that you can get reliable data in over 200 destinations with instant access to a digital eSIM card with a click of a button.

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I guess I'm seeking advice from both of you on love and romance and relationships because I'm in my early 30s now. And when I looked at both of your stories of love in your 30s, It's not a straight line. Oh, no. It's not a straight line, to say the least. Michelle, you talk about going to marriage counseling with Brock.

I guess I'm seeking advice from both of you on love and romance and relationships because I'm in my early 30s now. And when I looked at both of your stories of love in your 30s, It's not a straight line. Oh, no. It's not a straight line, to say the least. Michelle, you talk about going to marriage counseling with Brock.

What does someone like me at 32 years old, who is in a relationship, who is aggressively pursuing a career, because I feel like I've got to build and build and build and set my family up for the future. What advice would you both give me about navigating love through that part of your career where it's go, go, go, go, go?

What does someone like me at 32 years old, who is in a relationship, who is aggressively pursuing a career, because I feel like I've got to build and build and build and set my family up for the future. What advice would you both give me about navigating love through that part of your career where it's go, go, go, go, go?

Is that when it got hard for you?

Is that when it got hard for you?