Stuart Russell

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TechStuff · The Man Who Wrote the AI Textbook Says We're Heading For Extinction - The Story · 24 Jun 2026 podcast

It's basically a losing game to try to take a system that's more intelligent than you and doesn't want to behave in your interests and try to somehow force it or put up guardrails or monitors or put it in prison when it doesn't do the right thing.

All of this stuff is just a losing game in my view.

So two options.

Either we figure out how to make safe and beneficial AI systems and

That's what I'm trying to do because I'm an AI researcher.

Well, so...

I'm a professor at Berkeley, so I've been doing this in my little research center with a few grad students.

And I've come to the conclusion that, yeah, probably if I had a few billion and a few hundred of the absolute top engineers and vast amounts of compute, I could probably make more progress on this.

So that's one idea.

But basically, that's the research track.

The other track is the regulatory track, right, which is government policy.

And you mentioned what recently happened with Anthropic's Mythos and Fable models.

Let's just roll back a few weeks to when Mythos was first made public.

And Mythos is the latest version of Anthropic's large language models, and it's able to carry out end-to-end cyber attacks without human assistance.

And either it or its soon-to-come successors would basically be, I think I just wrote an article in The Garden where I said it's a weapon of mass cyber destruction.

And you're putting those weapons of mass cyber destruction in the hands of a billion people.

What could possibly go wrong, right?

And all of a sudden, the U.S.

government, which had been

on a deregulatory binge, basically trying to crush anyone who talked about regulation or talked about AI safety, suddenly said, well, why did nobody warn us about these AI systems?

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