Sue Simpson
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370 appearances
24 recordings
2 series
first heard Nov 2024
last heard 11 Jun
Sue Simpson’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.
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You know, it's really confusing. The whole picture isn't straightforward. And remember that this kind of data hasn't been used often. It hasn't been widely studied.
Right. And to remind everyone, Jen McCabe is the good friend of John O'Keefe's. She was also with Karen the next morning when they discovered John's body. So this is the second time that I have seen Jen McCabe on the stand.
And I did notice this time that she repeated again and again that there was a lot of screaming that morning, that Karen was screaming at phone calls, that Karen was screaming at her when they met.
Jen also testified that Karen did not remember going to the after-party house.
There were three women out looking for John O'Keefe early that morning in the dark, in the wind, in the awful snow. Carrie Roberts, another good friend of John's, Jen McKay, both in the front seat, and then Karen in the back. Remember, Karen was the first to see the body, and she basically kicked her way out of the car because the other women couldn't see this dark blob lying on the snow.
Then I got out of the car, walked around the back of the car. And when Jen came around, she realized when she saw Carrie Roberts wiping the snow off John's face, she realized, that's my friend. That's my really good friend. And she got choked up on the stand for the first time.
Right. So Jen McCabe testified that she went home from the after party. She was in bed and it was 2.27 in the morning. And she was just Googling her daughter's sports teams and various things in that realm of her life.
So she said, of course, that she didn't type in Haas long to die in the cold until about 6.23 in the morning at the scene of John's body when Karen asked her to please find out how long it takes for somebody to die in the cold.
According to the prosecution and the expert from earlier, Ian Whiffen, Jan McCabe opened a browser window to 27 in the morning, and when Karen asked her at 6.23 in the morning, find out how long it takes to die in the cold, she was using the same browser window. I've always wondered about that.
And just here's an example. I got to court on Tuesday morning at 8 a.m. I wanted to see what the scene was outside because obviously I remembered it from the last trial. And I counted one by one and there were only 19 protesters. And it even looked like, you know, some of their signs were kind of beaten up and they were weathered. Now, of course, things could change.
The weather's going to get better. But it was just a moment in time where I thought, yep, Things have changed.
Hank Brennan was hired by the Norfolk County DA's office as a special prosecutor to try the case. He is well-known in Massachusetts because he represented notorious Boston crime boss James Whitey Bulger during his 2013 trial. You probably remember that, Andrea.
He was very calm, almost soft-spoken, but he's also crisp. He goes through things very matter-of-factly, very straightforwardly.
He approached his opening remarks as if he were telling a story to the jury. You know, the time, the morning, the alarm bell. We're living in a certain POV, a perspective of a firefighter, paramedic Timothy Nuttall, one of the first responders who came to the scene.
He is important because he heard Karen say, I hit him, meaning I hit John. And the prosecution says, Karen confessed at the scene by saying these words, I hit him, I hit him, I hit him.
Karen contends that she phrased it as a question, not as a statement. Could I have hit him? So by playing it, the prosecution apparently wants to show jurors that Karen in the moment was trying to work out how she could possibly have injured John with her car.
What I think, Andrea, is that he focused on data. He focused on the technical aspects and the technology of the case. And he said all of those would show that Karen Reid killed John O'Keefe.
He focused on location data, on health data, and interesting here, the temperature of the cell phone battery. You know, what he did was he picked plot points where John and Karen were and what the temperature was, you know, at certain points in their storyline that night. He also said there'd be evidence from the black box, he called it, from Karen's Lexus, her SUV.
And some of that evidence will be new because the prosecution retested her car after the first trial.
Well, Alan Jackson has such a different style in court than Hank Brennan. And you probably remember that, Andrea. I mean, Alan Jackson's style, right? He's more forceful and really understands the spectacle of a criminal trial.
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