Sue Simpson

You know, the thing about these jurors are they really, for me at least, they don't show their emotions. They don't show their feelings. They listen. Their faces are impassive. I didn't notice a reaction there, startling. I will tell you, they land with a startle because Karen is sitting right in court.

You know, the thing about these jurors are they really, for me at least, they don't show their emotions. They don't show their feelings. They listen. Their faces are impassive. I didn't notice a reaction there, startling. I will tell you, they land with a startle because Karen is sitting right in court.

And these angry, angry words of hers and the swearing, and clearly this is a woman who is passionate and has lost control of herself, they land in a court with a huge bang. Now, the defense decided not to cross-examine. The investigator who found these voicemails and these calls, they just let her words go and they moved on.

And these angry, angry words of hers and the swearing, and clearly this is a woman who is passionate and has lost control of herself, they land in a court with a huge bang. Now, the defense decided not to cross-examine. The investigator who found these voicemails and these calls, they just let her words go and they moved on.

And these angry, angry words of hers and the swearing, and clearly this is a woman who is passionate and has lost control of herself, they land in a court with a huge bang. Now, the defense decided not to cross-examine. The investigator who found these voicemails and these calls, they just let her words go and they moved on.

So last week, Andrea, we heard investigators read text messages from Karen's phone establishing that John and Karen had a fight in the hours before John's death. Those text messages show that they made up, two of them made up, but the prosecutor wanted jurors to know that their relationship was far from perfect.

So last week, Andrea, we heard investigators read text messages from Karen's phone establishing that John and Karen had a fight in the hours before John's death. Those text messages show that they made up, two of them made up, but the prosecutor wanted jurors to know that their relationship was far from perfect.

The prosecutor's next big witness on Monday morning was someone who could use John's phone to tell jurors what happened next in the timeline. The prosecution's version of events, of course.

The prosecutor's next big witness on Monday morning was someone who could use John's phone to tell jurors what happened next in the timeline. The prosecution's version of events, of course.

Yes, yes. Prosecutor Brannon got Ian Whiffen to talk about the temperature of the battery in John's cell phone. something I honestly knew nothing about until this retrial started.

Yes, yes. Prosecutor Brannon got Ian Whiffen to talk about the temperature of the battery in John's cell phone. something I honestly knew nothing about until this retrial started.

So the prosecution's theory is that John O'Keefe was lying grievously wounded in a blizzard, so you'd expect his phone, if he had it with him, to get colder and colder and colder from the moment Karen drove away. Remember, this is the prosecution's POV. So apparently our phone batteries log their own temperature often. and that's to make sure they don't overheat.

So the prosecution's theory is that John O'Keefe was lying grievously wounded in a blizzard, so you'd expect his phone, if he had it with him, to get colder and colder and colder from the moment Karen drove away. Remember, this is the prosecution's POV. So apparently our phone batteries log their own temperature often. and that's to make sure they don't overheat.

Now, investigators can use that data to figure out how cold or hot it is outside where the phone is. So when Whiffen was on the stand, the prosecution had him walk the jury through a graph he'd created that showed John's phone getting colder on the drive to the party, from the bar to the after party, and then getting steadily colder and colder.

Now, investigators can use that data to figure out how cold or hot it is outside where the phone is. So when Whiffen was on the stand, the prosecution had him walk the jury through a graph he'd created that showed John's phone getting colder on the drive to the party, from the bar to the after party, and then getting steadily colder and colder.

The prosecution argued this means that John's phone never went inside the house.

The prosecution argued this means that John's phone never went inside the house.

Right, right. So we know that there was a blizzard, as I've said, on the night that John died, and as all our listeners know. But John O'Keefe's phone stays somewhere between 50 and 40 degrees from 1.30 a.m. to 6 a.m. Then it gets colder right when Karen finds John and John's phone is discovered under him.

Right, right. So we know that there was a blizzard, as I've said, on the night that John died, and as all our listeners know. But John O'Keefe's phone stays somewhere between 50 and 40 degrees from 1.30 a.m. to 6 a.m. Then it gets colder right when Karen finds John and John's phone is discovered under him.

You know, it's really confusing. The whole picture isn't straightforward. And remember that this kind of data hasn't been used often. It hasn't been widely studied.