Sue Simpson

You know, it's really confusing. The whole picture isn't straightforward. And remember that this kind of data hasn't been used often. It hasn't been widely studied.

Right. And to remind everyone, Jen McCabe is the good friend of John O'Keefe's. She was also with Karen the next morning when they discovered John's body. So this is the second time that I have seen Jen McCabe on the stand.

Right. And to remind everyone, Jen McCabe is the good friend of John O'Keefe's. She was also with Karen the next morning when they discovered John's body. So this is the second time that I have seen Jen McCabe on the stand.

And I did notice this time that she repeated again and again that there was a lot of screaming that morning, that Karen was screaming at phone calls, that Karen was screaming at her when they met.

And I did notice this time that she repeated again and again that there was a lot of screaming that morning, that Karen was screaming at phone calls, that Karen was screaming at her when they met.

Jen also testified that Karen did not remember going to the after-party house.

Jen also testified that Karen did not remember going to the after-party house.

There were three women out looking for John O'Keefe early that morning in the dark, in the wind, in the awful snow. Carrie Roberts, another good friend of John's, Jen McKay, both in the front seat, and then Karen in the back. Remember, Karen was the first to see the body, and she basically kicked her way out of the car because the other women couldn't see this dark blob lying on the snow.

There were three women out looking for John O'Keefe early that morning in the dark, in the wind, in the awful snow. Carrie Roberts, another good friend of John's, Jen McKay, both in the front seat, and then Karen in the back. Remember, Karen was the first to see the body, and she basically kicked her way out of the car because the other women couldn't see this dark blob lying on the snow.

Then I got out of the car, walked around the back of the car. And when Jen came around, she realized when she saw Carrie Roberts wiping the snow off John's face, she realized, that's my friend. That's my really good friend. And she got choked up on the stand for the first time.

Then I got out of the car, walked around the back of the car. And when Jen came around, she realized when she saw Carrie Roberts wiping the snow off John's face, she realized, that's my friend. That's my really good friend. And she got choked up on the stand for the first time.

Right. So Jen McCabe testified that she went home from the after party. She was in bed and it was 2.27 in the morning. And she was just Googling her daughter's sports teams and various things in that realm of her life.

Right. So Jen McCabe testified that she went home from the after party. She was in bed and it was 2.27 in the morning. And she was just Googling her daughter's sports teams and various things in that realm of her life.

So she said, of course, that she didn't type in Haas long to die in the cold until about 6.23 in the morning at the scene of John's body when Karen asked her to please find out how long it takes for somebody to die in the cold.

So she said, of course, that she didn't type in Haas long to die in the cold until about 6.23 in the morning at the scene of John's body when Karen asked her to please find out how long it takes for somebody to die in the cold.

According to the prosecution and the expert from earlier, Ian Whiffen, Jan McCabe opened a browser window to 27 in the morning, and when Karen asked her at 6.23 in the morning, find out how long it takes to die in the cold, she was using the same browser window. I've always wondered about that.

According to the prosecution and the expert from earlier, Ian Whiffen, Jan McCabe opened a browser window to 27 in the morning, and when Karen asked her at 6.23 in the morning, find out how long it takes to die in the cold, she was using the same browser window. I've always wondered about that.

And just here's an example. I got to court on Tuesday morning at 8 a.m. I wanted to see what the scene was outside because obviously I remembered it from the last trial. And I counted one by one and there were only 19 protesters. And it even looked like, you know, some of their signs were kind of beaten up and they were weathered. Now, of course, things could change.

And just here's an example. I got to court on Tuesday morning at 8 a.m. I wanted to see what the scene was outside because obviously I remembered it from the last trial. And I counted one by one and there were only 19 protesters. And it even looked like, you know, some of their signs were kind of beaten up and they were weathered. Now, of course, things could change.

The weather's going to get better. But it was just a moment in time where I thought, yep, Things have changed.