Sulaiman Ahmed

I'm saying failures happen across the board, but you're saying I only care about Rotherham.

No, I'm talking about PDFs.

I'm talking about PDF.

No, no.

So it was institutionalized.

It was happening across the board.

Now, in terms of those specific grooming gangs, what Tommy Robinson did was he created a new category where he said, if it's three people or higher doing the abuse, then we'll create a new category.

And it'll be for only...

over 14-year-olds and it'll only be because they want to take the children out because that becomes just partially not them.

And we want to take the children out because we don't care about pedophilia and we want to do it where it's three or more because we don't want to care about two or one.

So what you do is create this fake category to maybe say, look, everybody falls into that category.

And I'm saying that's ridiculous.

You abuse someone, you do it, whether it's a PDF and it's someone, and I think doing it to children is worse, but obviously we may disagree.

But the thing is, all of that is bad.

All of that was covered up in the industry level and all of it should be called out irrespective of who it is.

And I think this has been done intentionally in order to cause like wars between people.

So you think like, for example, let's say one guy,

abused a five-year-old, that's less worse than, let's say, three guys who abused a 16-year-old.

Well, both, but I'm saying... So you said they're both the same?

So his category of gang is three or higher.