Suleika Jaouad
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1,033 appearances
4 recordings
3 series
first heard Sep 2025
last heard 29 May
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And that can make the world a scary place to be.
It can make opening your heart up a very scary act because it's only natural for
Do you want to protect yourself against new loss when you've endured a loss?
And so for me, it was really a process of learning not to do what was my impulse, which was to dodge any sort of discomfort, to numb myself against it, to paper over it, but to really allow myself the time to engage with that grief.
with those losses, with that trauma, and to find a sort of container where I could explore that distance between no longer and not yet.
And to learn to embrace existing in that messy middle where I didn't know who I was.
I didn't know where I was going.
I didn't know what my life was going to be.
And ultimately, to come to think of discomfort not as a bad thing, but as a necessary passage when you're in transition.
Absolutely.
You know, and the title of the book is Between Two Kingdoms because ultimately I believe most of us live large chunks of our lives in the in-between, in transition, in that space between no longer and not yet.
Right.
And once we can learn to get comfortable with that discomfort, with that sense of uncertainty, there's a lot of richness to be gained from looking around when you're in that liminal space and really boring into the unknown.
Yeah.
And as someone who, when we opened this conversation about the two wolves copped to having a great degree of anxiety about uncertainty, my impulse is to rush through those transitions.
I don't wanna be in that space between no longer and not yet.
I wanna know exactly what I'm doing and where I'm going and what my day is going to look like.
And my work for whatever reason for the last decade has been being forced to not rush through those transitional moments and really learning to make a life for myself and a home for myself in the messy middle.
Well, I think the first thing is rooted in historical understanding of my maladaptive
coping mechanisms, which is that when I try to resist grief, when I try to resist discomfort, I end up injuring myself more.
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