Susan Glasser

And that would be truly a remarkable thing if that is what happened.

So that's my understanding what's going on here.

And it does speak to the possibility of an enormous screw up by an inexperienced person who never would have passed muster for this job under any president, Democrat or Republican.

And that is a through line here.

Well,

Abuse of power is the kind of thing that should rattle people.

It has nothing to do with ideology.

This kind of power being wielded by an unchecked executive is literally like the nightmare that the founding fathers envisioned from the very beginning for a reason.

It's completely devoid of ideology, and what it speaks to is something that anybody can be targeted for.

Yeah, I mean, I think that is really important through line, actually, from we're talking about Comey and the abuse of power.

When you get to this question of immigrants and who's afraid in this society right now, who's being targeted most explicitly in the society, you know, it's the spreading of fear on some level that is the most important.

kind of strikingly at odds with the U.S., right?

Seen as a safe haven, seen as the safe place in the world for generations of people.

I'm, you know, certainly all of my family, I'm guessing, you know, most of your family, you know, they're all immigrants at some point.

And they came here in part because they thought it was safe, right?

It was a place to get away from, you know, the horrors of the old world, whatever they were.

And it's this spreading of fear.

I think all of us are infected by it to a certain extent because I...

Those videos now are pretty inescapable.

Whatever media platform you're on, you risk being exposed to horrific scenes at any given moment on your day.