Susan Glasser

Was that the whiff of a little, you know, possibly irrational exuberance?

No, look, I actually did.

I want to ask you because I feel like you're a keener observer of the, you know, sort of the former limbs, you know, still maybe echo for you.

You know, my my take is definitely it was a huge embarrassment for Trump.

And if you can't get Lauren Boebert in the situation room to, you know, give you her vote when she owes her entire career to, you know, performative displays of support for you.

Right.

Like something something is off and capitulation is the right word.

They went to extreme lengths to.

This is Trump.

So it's like, you know, add some zeros to whatever you're doing here.

They went to extreme lengths, shutting down the U.S.

House of Representatives for two months from mid-September to mid-November in the effort to block a vote that you then failed to block.

There's no script for this.

This has not happened in any remotely analogous way.

And so I don't want to understate that.

It does seem to be quite specific to this particular MAGA-based obsession with Epstein, with the files, with the idea that there's this conspiracy, that there's this cabal of deep state pedophiles that's being covered up.

And so does it translate?

We haven't seen that.

I mean, I would like to point out that Donald Trump, in the same week that he capitulated here –

has done a number of truly extraordinarily awful things, even by his own standards.