Susan Glasser: Trump’s Industrial-Scale Lies
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What were the main lies in Trump's State of the Union address?
Hello and welcome to The Bullwark Podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller. Delighted to welcome back to the show, staff writer at The New Yorker. It's New Yorker week at The Bullwark. Her most recent book is The Divider, co-authored with her husband, Peter Baker. It is Susan Glasser. Susan, how are you feeling last night? You witnessed history yesterday. The longest State of the Union in the Republic. You know... What is there to say?
What is there to say? It was it was long and it was wrong. That's my headline. No, I mean, you know, right. It's an hour and however many minutes of our life we won't get back.
No, it was under two hours. Is that right?
It was. It was.
I was live streaming and it felt like small blessings.
It just there were a lot of exclamation points. There were six different medal ceremonies in the course of the event. And that does not include, of course, the tribute to the gold medal winning American men's hockey team. I think Donald Trump thought maybe he was hosting the Grammys or something, you know.
Toastmaster, I had said, here was our big mistake, okay? After, in retrospect, after he instigated a deadly riot at the Capitol, you know, there was one view that me at the Bulwark had, which was, We should impeach and convict and arrest him, probably. Okay. There's another view by Merrick Garland. So it's like, you know, let's let the process play out. Norms. We'll see how it goes. Maybe he'll just disappear. It seems like there was a third door, which was Joe Biden naming him like the permanent chairman of the board of the USO and just letting him travel the world and
giving awards to people because it does seem like what he wants to do taking awards for himself receiving awards and giving awards maybe he would not have run against if we had just given him his true job this is amazing tim this is your bob hope theory of the case you know that basically he's sort of like you know if bob hope were a wannabe dictator but you know i think that's right i mean i i wrote my piece i had to stay a blade for the new yorker i wrote my piece and But I realized in having this conversation that I was still pretending this was an actual State of the Union. And, you know, oh, by that standard, right, there's no news. You know, what did we learn? Remember all the big buildup?
There were two things that we thought about the speech going into it. One was... Is he going to make his case to the American people as Caroline Leavitt told us he would about how he is going to handle the affordability crisis? Well, I defy you to find a coherent case to the American people there. And then the other thing for my fellow foreign policy wonks was, is he going to make the case about why we need to go to war with Iran? Basically, I learned from that speech that we may or we may not go to war with Iran in order to obliterate the nuclear weapons program that, by the way, we already obliterated. Yeah. So I think I was judging it as a speech. I was judging him as a president if I had just let go of those preconceptions and thought of it in terms of like, how would I write about the Oscars or the Grammys or that, you know, anyone else with a particularly long winded host with somewhat noxious political views, I probably...
Well, unfortunately, in this case, you know, our kind of dystopian Bob Hope does have a lot of power, right?
How did Trump's speech reflect his media strategy?
And the policies impact people. I want to get back to Iran because I think that was what was said and unsaid was pretty important there. But I just want to hit through a couple of the other things from the speech. Some people suffered with me last night on the Borg livestream, which I appreciate on YouTube. Others, I assume, just... you know watched love story john f kennedy jr and caroline beset and that was correct if they did that and so just a couple of things you might have missed trump and stephen miller really thought that they had the democrats at one moment they had one thing that they're really pushing stephen miller says that this moment will last for a thousand years uh and that was when trump goes stand if you care about americans more than illegal immigrants he thought that this was a very tricky bind that he's put the democrats in
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What were the main lies in Trump's State of the Union address?
0:13–3:55
2
How did Trump's speech reflect his media strategy?
3:55–7:57
3
What are the implications of Trump's immigration policies?
7:57–11:22
4
How does Trump's approach to free speech impact America?
11:22–14:44
5
What conflicting messages did Trump send regarding Iran?
14:44–18:20
6
How is Trump's foreign policy affecting U.S. relations?
18:20–22:13
7
What is the significance of Trump's rhetoric on Ukraine?
22:13–26:56
8
How do media mergers reflect Trump's influence on journalism?
26:56–58:20
Speakers
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