Susan Grau

Exactly.

And it loves trauma, right?

It loves to be in, I'll say drama.

It loves to be in the drama of everything.

And that's a lack of understanding right where we need to be.

So something happens and someone will call me and say, I'm so upset this happened.

And I'll go, what's your soul telling you about it?

And what are you learning from this?

Not I'm a victim of it, but how can I empower myself with this knowledge and this feeling?

How can this feeling I have of being out of sorts actually empower me to do the next right thing?

Well, I love anything Raymond Moody puts out about his research that he does and connecting him with people who have NDEs.

I can't cite the research, but I'm always reading it.

I wish I could cite it, but I am always reading it and I'll go online and read about mediumship and religion and mediumship.

And my research is personal because I live it every day.

I remember when my mother-in-law

who is on the other side now.

So she knows I'm going to talk about her.

She was telling me she was very Catholic.

And I grew up as a young girl with Catholicism.

And she was telling me the priests say it's evil and the priestess and the priest that.