Susan Kokinda

And it's this historic fight between imperialism and the idea that nations and people have the right to develop for the betterment of the nation and the people, not for the betterment of some global financier elite.

Well, I think for long term it's even more evil, I mean they use the money they use the power, but ultimately it comes down to an image of man.

I mean, if you go back through history, what do you find with these very evil imperial systems.

They really believe that we're no better than animals.

They just happen to have bluer blood, so they get to run us.

But, you know, they want a world in which people are stupid and backward so that they can control them and they can loot them.

And, you know, so they don't want people ultimately educated, independent, sovereign.

That's what they don't like.

That's why they feared the American system so much.

Because while obviously this question of the image of man, man in the image of the creator, as opposed to, you know, man is simply an animal to be manipulated by his senses, which, by the way, is the basis of all of British liberal philosophy.

You know, John Locke, Thomas Hume, John Stuart Mill.

It's all based on the idea that we know the world only through our senses, not our minds.

And so they create institutions to keep us trapped in that kind of thing.

But the image of man is man in the image of the creator.

Obviously, that's been around since the time of Christ and in some respects, well, actually in very real respects in earlier religions and movements.

But what do you get with the American Revolution?

You actually get an economic system based on the idea that the productive powers of a nation is

is the human mind, is human creativity.

That was a breakthrough to actually, that was Hamilton's ideas.

And that actually forms the basis of a completely different kind of way of organizing your society where you're maximizing creativity.