Susan Kokinda

They've destroyed their ability to produce energy for their populations.

Most of them don't have serious militaries.

You know, they're dependent on, you know, they left themselves dependent on oil from the Strait of Hormuz.

So I think he's called a lot of people's bluffs, and I think he's ready to call NATO's bluffs.

But see, this is the way the president operates.

You know, people should read The Art of the Deal.

It's much better to get...

your opponent to expose himself, then for you to stand there and say this, that and the other thing.

So, you know, take the question of NATO or take the role of, you know, the British in terms of the bases and so on.

You know, Donald Trump could have, you know, said, I don't like NATO.

I don't like these people.

And one of these days I'm going to break with them.

Instead, you know, he pursues a policy, which is the American policy, which is in the, what he believes is in the interest of the country.

And by doing so in a way that these institutions have not seen, I mean, the last person I think who seriously challenged

that strategically was Eisenhower in the Suez crisis.

And before that, it was Roosevelt.

That's another story.

But, you know, here he is seriously challenging them and he's forcing them to expose themselves.

So he doesn't have to go out and give some kind of, you know, expert briefing to the American people about why NATO is a problem.

NATO just proved that they're a problem.