Susan Kokinda

He wrote about the American system of Alexander Hamilton and Henry Carey and others.

That tradition is still there somewhere in China.

You know, I mentioned Count Sergei Vita in Russia.

So, you know, you had the Soviet Union, you had communist China, Soviet Union is gone.

Russia is going back much more to its tradition of as, you know, as a sovereign nation based on Christian principles.

You know, China isn't necessarily Christian, but there's a lot in Confucian principles, which cherish the kinds of things you're talking about in terms of creativity.

So what I would envision,

And again, it's entirely up to what happens here in the United States, that if the Trump revolution sustains itself and continues in 50 years, there won't be any empires.

And in fact, we'll have sovereign nations.

And who knows, we may have sovereign colonies on the moon and Mars.

What interests me is I ran into his movement a couple of years after the Bobby Kennedy assassination, which had obviously affected me pretty dramatically and was sort of spiraling into hopelessness in terms of what are we going to do to turn this country back around again?

And I ran into somebody espousing his ideas, and the one thing with him which has never changed, and you know these descriptions of him are kind of again like the shadows on the wall, where you take a noun or an adjective and you act like that's what he was.

He was a universal genius.

And his passion was always

this divergence between the development of the physical economy based on the creativity of the human mind versus all these other kinds of artificial systems based on money or systems analysis or whatever.

And what attracted me to him is that he was an intellectual who forced you to constantly

hypothesize and rethink the way you thought.

And we did rethink, the organization which I joined, which he founded, rethought everything when we discovered the American system.

And nothing had changed from the standpoint of our fundamentals.

We were trying to find what is the policies?