Susan Kokinda

That's where it comes from.

Then once you sort of put yourself in that setting of this fight between the two systems in the world, you discover a whole lot.

You know, if you look more carefully at the role of British intelligence, British policy throughout the 20th century, you know, let's just take the crisis in the Mideast.

Who created the Muslim Brotherhood?

That was a direct operation from British intelligence in the 1920s.

and you look at a whole array of different policies, you simply start pulling the string, where you're no longer blacking out this idea that there is a British imperial system still functioning.

Once you entertain that hypothesis and you start looking at the world, a lot of things seem to make sense, which is why I think a lot of people respond to our work by saying, oh my gosh, you've put the pieces together for me.

Well, you can go back even to the 19th century.

I mean, if you look at the question of radical and political Islam, you'll find the hand of the British all over it.

I mean, one of the more famous figures in this, this gets into the 20th century, is Lawrence of Arabia, you know, T.E.

Lawrence.

who was British intelligence.

I can't remember his first name, Kim Philby, the famous double, triple agent spy in Britain.

His father was one of the key handlers of these kinds of networks in the Mideast.

In an earlier period in the 19th century, the British Pro Council of Egypt, I think it was Lord Cromer, but he was a bearing from the bearing bank.

He was one of the people who built up political radical Islam, and it was always used as a tool against the nationalist forces.

in countries like Egypt and elsewhere, who were trying to develop independent, economically strong nations, people like Nasser, people like Mubarak, for example.

So, I mean, there have been some excellent books written on this, one called The Devil's Game by Robert Dreyfus,

And the other one whose name escapes me at the moment, but it's called Secret Agents, where they go in depth into the role of British intelligence in creating radical and political Islam, which then becomes a very convenient tool for them.

It's like a corporation.