Susan Rice

People weren't...

you know, freaking out about ICE for the most part, you know, during the Obama administration, during the Biden administration, you know, yes, there were those who said, you know, they're still deporting people.

Well, you know, there are people who need to be deported.

When people commit violent crimes, when people have final orders of removal,

You know, they have then exhausted their legal remedies and there needs to be some targeted

ability to remove them, but remove them with basic respect for human rights and human dignity, consistent with the rule of law and a court order, consistent with the Constitution.

And none of that is what's happening now.

And that's why it's, you know, and what Trump has said, a tone at the top, and he's put, you know, crazy, cruel people like Kristi Noem,

And Stephen Miller, in charge of this very powerful apparatus, they put billions of more dollars into it and basically said, you can do what the hell you want.

He literally said, Trump, that these people have complete immunity.

Well, there's no such thing legally as complete immunity.

But what he has given them, in effect, is complete impunity.

And that's the problem.

And he's also recruited people into ICE without proper vetting, obviously without sufficient training.

And, you know...

Some of these folks, I'm sure, are proud boys or the equivalent.

And so that is the problem.

The problem is not, in my opinion, necessarily the institution of having a portion of federal law enforcement dedicated to enforcing our laws.

But these people are not doing that.

They are being lawless themselves.