Susan Rice on Trump’s Lawlessness, U.S. Allies, and the Economic Fallout
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What experiences does Susan Rice bring to the conversation?
Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find Out podcast. We have a great, great guest for you today. Someone that has the experience of many people all wound up into one person. She was the Assistant Secretary of State for African Affairs, and I actually believe was the youngest Assistant Secretary of the State Department ever. She was also the 27th ambassador to the United Nations. She was the 23rd National Security Advisor and I believe the second one for President Obama. And then went over and was the 22nd director of the Domestic Policy Council at the White House under Joe Biden. This is Ambassador Susan Rice. Thank you, Ambassador, for joining us today.
It's great to be with you guys.
So you are one of the few people who have sort of sat at the top of government in both foreign policy and domestic policy. So we want to talk about on the domestic side first, you know, and getting your thoughts on everything that is happening with ICE and with these insane masked agents coming and snatching people away. Did you ever in your life imagine that the U.S. government would be used in this way?
Honestly, no. I mean, what we're seeing is, you know, American federal law enforcement acting like Gestapo and literally busting into American citizens' homes, ripping people out of their beds in their underwear, throwing them out onto the street. often beating their heads in in the process by masked men and then throwing them in cars and disappearing them where they can't access their lawyers, can't communicate with their families. Nobody knows where they are or ripped out of their cars, you know, or shot dead in the street for exercising their First Amendment rights. I mean, it's absolutely insane. So, no, you know. I am a realist and I understand that when the American people sent Donald Trump back to the White House, that it was going to be very, very bad.
And he was explicit. He said, I'm going to use the military against the enemy within. So maybe we haven't seen the worst of this yet.
That's what I was going to ask, actually, is my first question every time we start talking about this is, do you believe we're on a path more to get substantially worse or that maybe we're doing enough to sort of stop them in their tracks and this is the worst it will get?
I think it's going to get worse.
Wonderful.
Sorry.
That's okay. I asked the question.
But the good news is that I think the American people are waking up. Nobody voted for the Constitution to be violated on a daily basis and used as a weapon against the American people. You know, some people thought they were voting for lower egg prices or, you know, you know, sealing the southern border. But nobody thought they were voting for Americans being stripped of their ability to assemble, to speak freely, to carry a lawful weapon, to have their homes protected from illegal search and seizure, Fourth Amendment. They're violating every single one of the Bill of Rights, almost.
Thank you.
And people are pissed and they should be because, you know, that nobody nobody wants that, you know. So I think, you know, Minnesota and the people of Minnesota and particularly in Minneapolis have been extraordinary in their coming together peacefully, you know, on a sustained way to say, no, that's not what we're for. And I hope and I'm starting to believe that, you know, around the country, people are waking up to. the crazy, vicious, illegal actions of ICE and Border Patrol.
So there's there's one question. I think that's all exactly right. There's one question that we keep hearing from from MAGA supporters in particular that are saying, well, you know, Obama deported three million undocumented or I don't remember what the number was. And that's way more than Donald Trump. Can you, for our audience as an expert, explain the difference between the Obama immigration policies and what the Trump administration is doing today?
Well, I will try, but to be clear, I did not work as national security advisor or as UN ambassador, the two roles that I held under the Obama administration on immigration and immigration enforcement.
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