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Susannah Cahalan

๐Ÿ‘ค Person
93 total appearances

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Podcast Appearances

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

She got married at 17, a very abusive relationship, left that husband, went off to New York, started modeling, no high school degree, and started to experiment with psychedelic drugs that were becoming very popular at the time and were not yet illegal. And in that, she really found that altered state, that connection with the kind of other world that she had found when she was eight years old.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

She got married at 17, a very abusive relationship, left that husband, went off to New York, started modeling, no high school degree, and started to experiment with psychedelic drugs that were becoming very popular at the time and were not yet illegal. And in that, she really found that altered state, that connection with the kind of other world that she had found when she was eight years old.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

She got married at 17, a very abusive relationship, left that husband, went off to New York, started modeling, no high school degree, and started to experiment with psychedelic drugs that were becoming very popular at the time and were not yet illegal. And in that, she really found that altered state, that connection with the kind of other world that she had found when she was eight years old.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

I had to learn to like him because I had to see it through her eyes. But I understand what you're saying completely.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

I had to learn to like him because I had to see it through her eyes. But I understand what you're saying completely.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

I had to learn to like him because I had to see it through her eyes. But I understand what you're saying completely.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

Yeah, I mean, he completely used her, especially when he escaped from prison. She masterminds that escape. She oversees it. She kind of gives up everything in her life for him, her identity, really. And at some point she decides it's too much and she leaves him and he gets arrested and he decides to cooperate with the federal government.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

Yeah, I mean, he completely used her, especially when he escaped from prison. She masterminds that escape. She oversees it. She kind of gives up everything in her life for him, her identity, really. And at some point she decides it's too much and she leaves him and he gets arrested and he decides to cooperate with the federal government.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

Yeah, I mean, he completely used her, especially when he escaped from prison. She masterminds that escape. She oversees it. She kind of gives up everything in her life for him, her identity, really. And at some point she decides it's too much and she leaves him and he gets arrested and he decides to cooperate with the federal government.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

And at that point, he actually hands over these letters, these love letters that they'd exchanged where they'd also talking code about the escape to basically hand her over to the federal government and try to kind of get them to kind of focus on her so that he could get off. He could get some time off of his jail sentence. And that was really an ultimate betrayal there.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

And at that point, he actually hands over these letters, these love letters that they'd exchanged where they'd also talking code about the escape to basically hand her over to the federal government and try to kind of get them to kind of focus on her so that he could get off. He could get some time off of his jail sentence. And that was really an ultimate betrayal there.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

And at that point, he actually hands over these letters, these love letters that they'd exchanged where they'd also talking code about the escape to basically hand her over to the federal government and try to kind of get them to kind of focus on her so that he could get off. He could get some time off of his jail sentence. And that was really an ultimate betrayal there.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

She was underground for 25 years. And she was living, you know, basically at the poverty line. She somehow still filed her taxes at various points. So I could see that she made about $12,000 a year running it in. Don't fuck with the IRS. Yeah, seriously. You can run from the feds, but not the IRS. With her fake name, she filed her taxes. And, you know, she really...

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

She was underground for 25 years. And she was living, you know, basically at the poverty line. She somehow still filed her taxes at various points. So I could see that she made about $12,000 a year running it in. Don't fuck with the IRS. Yeah, seriously. You can run from the feds, but not the IRS. With her fake name, she filed her taxes. And, you know, she really...

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

She was underground for 25 years. And she was living, you know, basically at the poverty line. She somehow still filed her taxes at various points. So I could see that she made about $12,000 a year running it in. Don't fuck with the IRS. Yeah, seriously. You can run from the feds, but not the IRS. With her fake name, she filed her taxes. And, you know, she really...

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

And, you know, she was terrified of breaking the law in any way. I mean, she drove like 15 miles an hour everywhere. She was constantly looking at people thinking they recognized her. Imagine being that seen all the time, but also being completely unseen because no one really knows who you are. So it was a state of like being hypervigilant, but also invisible. And it was stressful.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

And, you know, she was terrified of breaking the law in any way. I mean, she drove like 15 miles an hour everywhere. She was constantly looking at people thinking they recognized her. Imagine being that seen all the time, but also being completely unseen because no one really knows who you are. So it was a state of like being hypervigilant, but also invisible. And it was stressful.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

And, you know, she was terrified of breaking the law in any way. I mean, she drove like 15 miles an hour everywhere. She was constantly looking at people thinking they recognized her. Imagine being that seen all the time, but also being completely unseen because no one really knows who you are. So it was a state of like being hypervigilant, but also invisible. And it was stressful.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

It was stressful. And, and also, I mean, she couldn't, she had no money and she was under, underground. She didn't have health, healthcare. So she couldn't go to a dentist, you know, and she died very young. She died at 66. And I think a great deal of that is due to the lack of healthcare and also the massive amounts of stress she was under when she was underground.

The Nerve with Maureen Callahan
The Real Jon Hamm is Not Who You Think, Plus What Happens When "Mean Girls" Grow Up and Get Meaner

It was stressful. And, and also, I mean, she couldn't, she had no money and she was under, underground. She didn't have health, healthcare. So she couldn't go to a dentist, you know, and she died very young. She died at 66. And I think a great deal of that is due to the lack of healthcare and also the massive amounts of stress she was under when she was underground.