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Suzanne Maloney

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
343 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

I think Prime Minister Netanyahu wanted to achieve the dream that he's had for decades, which was to see the end of the Islamic Republic, the end of the threat that it posed to Israel's existence, and that it championed this threat to Israeli existence.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

So I think that for Prime Minister Netanyahu, the persistence of the regime is going to be a tremendous disappointment.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

But the Israelis, I think, are very satisfied with the military objectives that they have been achieving.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

They are prepared to maintain a long, hot war against Iran because it does present such a powerful adversary to Israel and to all Israelis.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

And they will continue to mow the lawn as long as they have the opportunity.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

And there is, I think, a consensus around this goal among much of the Israeli national security establishment at this point in time.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

It's not purely a Netanyahu-centric effort.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

Israelis, by and large, feel as though they can't wait for the threats to come to them.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

They have to go out and proactively eliminate those threats.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

They learned this horrific lesson on October 7th, and they're not prepared to live with a monster on their doorstep anymore.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

in perpetuity.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

And so they will continue.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

I don't think mowing the lawn is a strategy that is going to keep Israel safe in the future, but I think that they don't see better options at this point in time.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

And they're also counting on the fact that the regime will have to contend with a very unhappy, very much impoverished population.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

It will have to figure out how to rebuild, potentially without the support of the international financial system.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

And Iran will be a weaker, more embittered state in many respects.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

And we don't know what will happen six months from here.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

We may see the tremors that were created by these attacks produce some fissures within the regime and actually make it less strenuous and less threatening.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

We simply don't know.

The Ezra Klein Show
Why Iran Believes It Has the Upper Hand

And I think the Israelis are prepared to do what they have to do.