Ta-Nehisi Coates

Like the negativity of that, the anger where I'm always like wagging my finger at you.

You know, like white man, listen.

Like it's kind of been beautiful to have another conversation.

Well, some people like it.

Some people, let me be honest.

Some people take it.

It's not most people, but some people online are taking pleasure in that.

I'm the first person that's going to tell the truth, right?

Like, I'll tell you the second, you know what I mean?

What's going on?

But as you said, when you start, I do think there is a human element sometimes that causes people to take pleasure in it that's not great.

I mean, Viola Louisa was a race traitor, man.

She was a race traitor.

What that term means is somebody who decided that the privileges that were given to them because of racism and white supremacy was so offensive to their person that they would put their body on the line to be, you know, to be against this.

You know, we have a history of this.

Me as a journalist, I would shout out Elijah Lovejoy, you know, for instance.

You know, people who died, you know, for this.

It was just too, you know, so offensive.

I mean, Abraham Lincoln ultimately was judged a race traitor, quite frankly.

And Viola Louisa is this...