Tahlia Isaac

Well, I mean, she helped me to realize that how I was in the world probably wasn't actually my fault and got rid of a lot of shame around who I was and how I showed up and gave me language to my feelings and

and gave me language to be able to express those feelings and also helped me regulate my nervous system so that I wasn't always seeking danger to make myself feel safe.

And she just held space for me.

Like she actually just let me fumble my words and say things that maybe weren't true or

That, you know, not that I was lying to her, but like saying things that about myself that weren't true or saying, you know, my assessment of a situation that probably wasn't what it was, but allowed me space to just say it and then held space for me.

Yeah.

But just reflected it back to me so that I could see that.

And I was like, yeah.

Yeah, and I think you're right.

Resources are really stretched, but they're stretched because we've, like, widened the net of who we send to prison when they're actually not posing a direct threat to people in the community.

It's just that governments go, no, we're very tough on crime, you know, because they've realised that by harnessing fear that people in the community are

We'll vote for that.

And we're not really that tough on crime because if we were, we would try and be preventing it from happening and really we're making the situation worse.

I think I would have probably stayed on the straight and narrow for a little bit because every woman that's in prison when she's in there is going, I'm not going back to that.

I'm not doing that.

No one's in there going, yeah, I might go straight back into it.

No one's saying it out loud, right?

Like they all don't want to live that life and they all don't want to be in prison.

They're all very sad.

On the fact that I don't want to return to this place.