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Tal Zaks

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

And so what he did is he teamed up with one of the Israeli health care networks to collect information on, I don't know, a quarter million people over a decade. And he took that same blood work and he asked himself, well, if I correct somebody's blood work for other parameters that the machine measures, but I don't even know what they are, can I reduce the variability?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

And so what he did is he teamed up with one of the Israeli health care networks to collect information on, I don't know, a quarter million people over a decade. And he took that same blood work and he asked himself, well, if I correct somebody's blood work for other parameters that the machine measures, but I don't even know what they are, can I reduce the variability?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

How much of the variability in the normal is actually true variance versus things we could correct for that are based on you? And it turns out that about half the variance is. of the distribution of what normal is, is actually false distribution.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

How much of the variability in the normal is actually true variance versus things we could correct for that are based on you? And it turns out that about half the variance is. of the distribution of what normal is, is actually false distribution.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

If we could correct it relative to your factors, it would make that distribution much narrower, which means that we could now pick up things that otherwise look normal, but based on all those other things that the machine can figure out, this is a perfect application of AI. because I can start to pick up abnormalities much sooner.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

If we could correct it relative to your factors, it would make that distribution much narrower, which means that we could now pick up things that otherwise look normal, but based on all those other things that the machine can figure out, this is a perfect application of AI. because I can start to pick up abnormalities much sooner.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

Now, the question is, does that lead to interventions that we know will be of benefit sooner? Well, that's where a whole world of drug development has to come in. But that's where I agree with the folks that have been saying that we've got a sick care system as opposed to a health care system.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

Now, the question is, does that lead to interventions that we know will be of benefit sooner? Well, that's where a whole world of drug development has to come in. But that's where I agree with the folks that have been saying that we've got a sick care system as opposed to a health care system.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

And look, my greatest learning as a physician from the COVID vaccine, I started this journey as a medical oncologist. Now, what's a medical oncologist? Somebody who deals with somebody who's got cancer. What's my vision for a patient that comes into my office? We started talking about vision. Well, my vision for that patient is their past. Think of that.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

And look, my greatest learning as a physician from the COVID vaccine, I started this journey as a medical oncologist. Now, what's a medical oncologist? Somebody who deals with somebody who's got cancer. What's my vision for a patient that comes into my office? We started talking about vision. Well, my vision for that patient is their past. Think of that.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

The best I can envision for somebody is to be as healthy as they were before they had cancer. Now, think of a vaccine. What does a vaccine do? It actually takes a healthy person and makes them healthier in the future.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

The best I can envision for somebody is to be as healthy as they were before they had cancer. Now, think of a vaccine. What does a vaccine do? It actually takes a healthy person and makes them healthier in the future.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

A serious medical doctor like myself in the previous era, if you told me that I would be interested in spending time making healthy people healthier, I would have looked at you strange and said, yeah, no, the people who do that are the yoga instructors, the quacks, and the nutritionists. I mean, I'm a serious doctor. I don't make healthy people healthier. If you're healthy, get out of my office.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

A serious medical doctor like myself in the previous era, if you told me that I would be interested in spending time making healthy people healthier, I would have looked at you strange and said, yeah, no, the people who do that are the yoga instructors, the quacks, and the nutritionists. I mean, I'm a serious doctor. I don't make healthy people healthier. If you're healthy, get out of my office.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

I got sick people lining up. I don't do that. But actually... That's what vaccines do. And that's what this new age of technology is going to enable us to do. Now, how do we deploy that information? I think in the 10-year horizon, you're going to see some of those insights now becoming institutionalized. I think it's going to take a long time because it will...

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

I got sick people lining up. I don't do that. But actually... That's what vaccines do. And that's what this new age of technology is going to enable us to do. Now, how do we deploy that information? I think in the 10-year horizon, you're going to see some of those insights now becoming institutionalized. I think it's going to take a long time because it will...

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

bring a profound change in what it is to be a physician. I think that change is already occurring. If you look in the last 10 or 20 years in the US, we talk about physician burnout.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

bring a profound change in what it is to be a physician. I think that change is already occurring. If you look in the last 10 or 20 years in the US, we talk about physician burnout.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

Well, physicians have gone from having agency making decisions, spending time with the patient and earning a return on their time to now being employees of large healthcare systems whereby the treatment they meet out is a function of algorithms. The quality control is a function of algorithms.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Tal Zaks - Bridging Science, Medicine, and Returns - [Invest Like the Best, EP.406]

Well, physicians have gone from having agency making decisions, spending time with the patient and earning a return on their time to now being employees of large healthcare systems whereby the treatment they meet out is a function of algorithms. The quality control is a function of algorithms.